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    Post by sunbro on Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:26 am

    Hey guys
    I need some help with a theory of mine so feel free to comment
    We´ve all seen the 10 braziers(9 small and 1 big) on the opposite side of the Lordvessel
    I think it has something to do with classes and covenant´s the pygmy and the pendant
    The idea is simple complete the game with the right Character and Covenant and do the right ending
    For example WOW cov link the fire and darkwaith walk away
    If done correctly I think the 9 small braziers are lit when you start the final run as a deprived with no covent
    and thus opening the giant door in the back and revealing the third ending
    When you tink about it there are 10 classes and 10 covenants if you count no cov as a cov
    You also can make a maximum of 10 toons and there are 10 braziers still a coincidence ???


    So why I need you help
    I started this run with the most obvious ones and I need you opinion on the less obvious ones
    here´s my list feel free to copy paste

    Classes
    Warrior
    Knight
    Wanderer
    Thief
    Bandit
    Hunter
    Sorcerer
    Pyromancer
    Cleric
    Deprived

    Covenants
    Warrior of Sunlight / Lawful Neutral
    Princess's Guard / Neutral good
    Blade of the Darkmoon / Chaotic good
    Darkwraith / Chaotic evil
    Gravelord Servant / Lawful evil
    Forest Hunter / True neutral
    Path of the Dragon / Neutral evil
    Chaos Servant / Chaotic neutral
    Way of White / Lawful good
    None

    Commoner Very average face
    Delta Farmer Commonly seen face in Fivefinger Delta
    Astora Noble Handsome face of the refined Common in Astora
    Dragon Scholar Intelligent sharp lines dut scholarly looks invite insult
    Thorolund Cleric Look common in Thorolund, known for its stalwart clerics
    Jubilant Catarina Jubilant features of Catarina, known for festivity and drink
    Dubious Carim Ominous features associated with the Earl of Carim
    Classic Zena Thoughtful, mature face common in historical Zena
    Earie Great Swamp Great Swamp heretics face prejudice for their atypical looks
    Far East traveler Face from a distant Eastern land of almond eyes and thin lips


    This is what i think
    Classes / Covenants / Face / link or walk away

    Warrior / Warrior of Sunlight / Jubilant Catarina / link the fire
    Knight / Princess's Guard / Astora Noble / link the fire
    Wanderer / Blade of the Darkmoon / Far East traveler / link the fire
    Thief / Darkwraith / Classic Zena / walk away
    Bandit / Gravelord Servant / Dubious Carim / walk away
    Hunter / Forest Hunter / Delta Farmer / link the fire
    Sorcerer / Path of the Dragon / Dragon Scholar / walk away
    Pyromancer / Chaos Servant / Earie Great Swamp / walk away
    Cleric / Way of White / Thorolund Cleric / link the fire
    Deprived / None / commoner


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    Re: The great search

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:55 am

    This is a very interesting theory. I can't say as to whether all of your connections are correct, all I can say is give it a go. You may want to learn how to speedrun however haha.


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    Re: The great search

    Post by sunbro on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:14 am

    yeah I do the BB glitch takes me about 4 hours incl item farming
    already finiched the most obvious ones
    brought my thorolund cleric in WOW cov to NG+ and the pyromancer Chaos cov
    Now I'm busy with the Dragon scholar sorcerer in Path of the dragon cov


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    Re: The great search

    Post by User on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:34 pm

    Warrior / Warrior of Sunlight / Jubilant Catarina / link the fire

    Knight / Princess's Guard / Astora Noble / link the fire

    Wanderer / Blade of the Darkmoon /Far East traveler / link the fire

    Thief / Darkwraith / Classic Zena / walk away

    Bandit / Gravelord Servant / Dubious Carim / walk away

    Hunter / Forest Hunter / Delta Farmer / link the fire

    Sorcerer / Path of the Dragon / Dragon Scholar / walk away

    Pyromancer / Chaos Servant / Earie Great Swamp / walk away

    Cleric / Way of White / Thorolund Cleric / link the fire

    Deprived / None / commoner


    I agree with most of the things you have selected, mainly the classes and the covenants... However there are somethings that are debatable

    Since the Darkwraith area, New Londo, has mostly Carim Weapons, and well as the Sealers, which indicate that they came form Carim, it would be more so that it would be of Carim than Zena. As well, many of the Darkwraiths are Knights, so it would more so fit the Darkwraiths than the thief. What you see from players is not the same as the game. Even the Knight of Thorns is a knight, so... ya.

    For the Warrior of Sunlight... eh, debatable. It depends on why the God of War was banished as a God deity. Catarina seems right, although it is hard to say if that is the right choice, but it seems the likly choice, since the onion knight recognizes Gwyn and seems to be faithful to him (as seen from the swamp), more than other human beings.

    Since the other classes match the other countrymen, the Zena beings would moreso fit the Gravelord Servent, since the Carim fits more towards the Darkwraiths, and other countrymen suit other groups. Even so, the Bandit would more so be less likely than the thief, since the Bandits are outdoorsmen, and their is a thief seen in the area. It would seem more likely for the thief than the bandit. However both are despicable, so... either or.

    However, since the Princess' Guard needs a class, it would suit more for the Bandit than Thief, since the Knight suits more towards the Darkwraith. As it were, more so the Bandit than the thief, since the bandit would serve unquestionable with brawn, while the thief might wonder what jewelry is on the goddess.

    Eh. For the Link the Fire, both the Hunters and the Warrior of Sunlight is debatable. For the Chaos Servant absolutely not, since the Chaos Covenant needs the power of the flame, in which case relighting it will allow that power to still be available. For the Gravelords... eh, maybe. the Gravelord Nito is a Lord of the Flame, so it is debatable. Hard to say what the Gravelord aims for.

    Other than that, it seems mostly right. However other people might say otherwise. Good luck on the search, my friend.
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    Re: The great search

    Post by sunbro on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:48 am

    I still think that a Knight is a princess guard
    Why ??? Because the knight starts in the WOW cov and has the prayer gesture
    Seems a bit to noble for a darkwraith to me
    Also a knight is a tank thus build for protecting and guarding not hunting or stealing (humanity)

    I agree with you on the carim/zena part
    Maybe the bandid and the thief should be switched
    And you are absolutely right with the Choas linking the fire
    So need an other speed run with my pyromancer

    The Sunbro being a Catarina motivation
    Solaire talks a bout JOLLY coop or adventuring and Siegmayer is also looking for adventure
    And if the fire is linked there´s more adventure i think

    But thanks on the feedback keep it comming


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    Re: The great search

    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:15 am

    Ominous, dubious Carim = Bandit = Darkwraith
    Thief = Delta Farmer, since most Thiefs are Ninjas, and ninjas were farmers in historical Japan = Graverlord Servant, since most ninjas use poison, as Nito uses death and disease
    Knights of Astora = Sunbros
    Warriors= Catarina = Princess Guard

    Hunters = Classic Zena, as they take whatever trinkets their opponents drop
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    Re: The great search

    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:43 am

    Also:

    Princess Guard/link the fire

    Sunbros/link the fire

    WoW/link the fire

    Darkmoons/link the fire

    Darkwraiths/go away

    Gravelord/link the fire because he Nito loves it (he is a Lord)

    Hunters = GO AWAY, hunters protect the tomb of Artorias, the Abysswalker, who (cant remember) found a covenant with the creatures of the abyss (Kaathe). Correct me Acidic _Cook, love your posts btw.

    Dragons/ walk away

    Pyromancers/ link the FIRE!!!!!!!!

    Deprived/ third ending lol

    Edit: Artorias could be one of the Four Kings, if such, then link the fire if he still was ally of Lord Gwyn before his death.
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    Re: The great search

    Post by PastaOfDoom on Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:16 am

    WyrmHero wrote:

    Edit: Artorias could be one of the Four Kings, if such, then link the fire if he still was ally of Lord Gwyn before his death.

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    Artoris was NOT one of the four kings. The four kings were the kings of New Londo that were tempted with the power of life drain and cast into the abyss, they had something to do with the release of the DarkWraiths, which caused the city to be flooded. Artorias joined a covenant with the creatures of the abyss, (darkwraiths).


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    Re: The great search

    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:37 pm

    I was speculating cause so little is said about them, four kings, four knights....maybe Lord Gwyn assigned his four knights as kings when he gave a part of his soul when he went to link the fire. If Artorias joined the Darkwraiths then DO NOT LINK THE FIRE with the HUNTER class.

    Edit: Four Lord Souls, four statues of a maiden with the baby.... From sure likes number 4

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    Re: The great search

    Post by User on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:58 pm

    sunbro wrote:I still think that a Knight is a princess guard
    Why ??? Because the knight starts in the WOW cov and has the prayer gesture
    Seems a bit to noble for a darkwraith to me
    Also a knight is a tank thus build for protecting and guarding not hunting or stealing (humanity)

    I agree with you on the carim/zena part
    Maybe the bandid and the thief should be switched
    And you are absolutely right with the Choas linking the fire
    So need an other speed run with my pyromancer

    The Sunbro being a Catarina motivation
    Solaire talks a bout JOLLY coop or adventuring and Siegmayer is also looking for adventure
    And if the fire is linked there´s more adventure i think

    But thanks on the feedback keep it comming

    Like i said, others have different views. And for the Knight, their was a Knight who also was a follower of the gods, who then alligned with the Dark. We call him the Abysswalker Knight of the Wolf. He was a Knight of the gods (Gwyn), but he went to the abyss and changed. Just saying, good luck.
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    Re: The great search

    Post by sunbro on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:19 pm

    Acidic_Cook wrote:
    sunbro wrote:I still think that a Knight is a princess guard
    Why ??? Because the knight starts in the WOW cov and has the prayer gesture
    Seems a bit to noble for a darkwraith to me
    Also a knight is a tank thus build for protecting and guarding not hunting or stealing (humanity)

    I agree with you on the carim/zena part
    Maybe the bandid and the thief should be switched
    And you are absolutely right with the Choas linking the fire
    So need an other speed run with my pyromancer

    The Sunbro being a Catarina motivation
    Solaire talks a bout JOLLY coop or adventuring and Siegmayer is also looking for adventure
    And if the fire is linked there´s more adventure i think

    But thanks on the feedback keep it comming

    Like i said, others have different views. And for the Knight, their was a Knight who also was a follower of the gods, who then alligned with the Dark. We call him the Abysswalker Knight of the Wolf. He was a Knight of the gods (Gwyn), but he went to the abyss and changed. Just saying, good luck.

    well you got a point there


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    Re: The great search

    Post by strangejoy on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:08 pm

    If you can get even one of the braziers to light up, we'll know you're on to something.

    For the record, I would not choose wanderer as blade of the darkmoon; I would choose a thief. The wanderer lacks faith, while the thief has faith and seeks redemption for his sins, making him a suitable assassin for the Gods. The wanderer is hard to pin down, but perhaps Darkwraiths would work. Good luck.
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    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:59 pm

    Wanderers have attributes of a Samurai, like Shiva of the East. Samurais are very faithful in their code, so Blade of the Darkmoon is perfect for them. Thiefs have to be Gravelord, as most thiefs use poison, toxin, shadow armor...
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    Re: The great search

    Post by sunbro on Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:58 am

    With some careful thinking and the feed back I updated the list
    The Greens are pretty shure others are still debatable
    Keep it coming guy's

    Classes / Covenants / Face / link or walk away

    Warrior / Warrior of Sunlight / Jubilant Catarina / link the fire
    Knight / Princess's Guard / Astora Noble / link the fire
    Wanderer / Blade of the Darkmoon / Far East traveler / link the fire
    Bandit / Darkwraith / Dubious Carim / walk away
    Thief / Gravelord Servant / Classic Zena / walk away
    Hunter / Forest Hunter / Delta Farmer / walk away
    Sorcerer / Path of the Dragon / Dragon Scholar / walk away
    Pyromancer / Chaos Servant / Earie Great Swamp / link the fire
    Cleric / Way of White / Thorolund Cleric / link the fire
    Deprived / None / commoner


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    Re: The great search

    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:39 pm

    Any luck? I was reading glyphblade's all secrets and someone mention using the 9 boss souls in front of the 9 urns.


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    Post by sunbro on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:07 pm

    nope no luck yet but i think they will only light up when the nine covs are done
    I finiched the wow cleric and the chaos pyromancer and now rapping up the dragon sorcerer(kiln)


    the next one i'm going to run is Wanderer / Blade of the Darkmoon / Far East traveler / link the fire


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    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:10 pm

    Nice job! Did you leveled chaos covenant to rank +3?


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    Post by sunbro on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:13 pm

    WyrmHero wrote:Nice job! Did you leveled chaos covenant to rank +3?

    yes +3 and all pyromancies(got trophy) and linked the fire
    also tried some different stuff @ the bed of choas such as the use of coins pendant and rubbish


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    Post by User on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:21 pm

    Sunbro, my friend. I would advice you, as a Gravelord, to light the Flame. It might help you as such in your search. Just a word of advice.
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    Post by sunbro on Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:50 am

    I think you're right still busy with reading you're latest finding about Nito
    Anyway's the cleric pyromancer and sorcerer are done
    Just opend up Anor Londo with the wanderer class, wich I had more time but hey I still have to work and keep my wife happy


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    Post by sunbro on Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:00 am

    Well I finiched up another toon
    Wanderer / Blade of the Darkmoon / Far East traveler / link the fire
    I could not rank up to +3 dark moon because of lak of SOR's
    Seems that the ring and the blue eye stones don't give enough invasions, and yes tried to farm SOR in the painted world

    Now working on the hunter toon

    @ acidic could you enlighten me on you gravelord theory


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    Post by User on Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:35 pm

    The Gravelord Nito uses the power of death in order to fill his ranks of the 'undead', even though they are not the Undead that is of the regular flame. The undead he uses are the sub-factors that follow the art of the flame, as seen by both the Pinwheel boss and the Servants by his Ash Domain. They are also seen using the magic of the dark, as seen by the Pinwheel Boss, who use the art to teleport and to duplicate, similar to that of the four Kings, who is a creature of the Dark. Interesting to note that the Pinwheel Boss, who is the only Pinwheel with the Dark magic, also holds the Rite of Kindling as his power as well, which says a few.

    The Toddler Skeletons are not created from the dead necessarily, but from Souls; Dark Souls. These Dark Souls, the Humanity, are the factor in which the toddlers are incarnated from, in which the Pinwheels watch over by Nito's Tomb, Nito's Domain. The idea that Nito's Grave is made of Ash also subsides that he has connection to the flame as well in terms of power (and the fact that he has Dark magic like the darkwraiths, as he casts an AOE blast with it). Even so, the God of Death uses the Power of Flame and Humanity (Dark) for his power, which both associate with the Flame.

    It would make sense that the Gravelord would want the Flame to be lit, more than the Dark Lord to come from the depletion. Still it is a sore subject, but it seems mostly tied towards the aspect of the flame and the dark, in which they get from the general flame of disparity. As such, it would be more logical to Light the Flame as a Gravelord.
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    Re: The great search

    Post by sunbro on Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:36 am

    thanks Acidic that logical

    I updated the list the orange ones are already done


    Classes / Covenants / Face / link or walk away

    Warrior / Warrior of Sunlight / Jubilant Catarina / link the fire
    Knight / Princess's Guard / Astora Noble / link the fire
    Wanderer / Blade of the Darkmoon / Far East traveler / link the fire
    Bandit / Darkwraith / Dubious Carim / walk away
    Thief / Gravelord Servant / Classic Zena / link the fire
    Hunter / Forest Hunter / Delta Farmer / walk away
    Sorcerer / Path of the Dragon / Dragon Scholar / walk away
    Pyromancer / Chaos Servant / Earie Great Swamp / link the fire
    Cleric / Way of White / Thorolund Cleric / link the fire
    Deprived / None / commoner


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    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:37 am

    This list is looking good!!!! I hope you are having fun sunbro. I still think the warriors should serve the Princess and the Knights the Sunbros, as Solaire is a Knight. Most knights begin in Way of White and to join the Sunbros you have to have 25 faith.


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    Re: The great search

    Post by sunbro on Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:08 am

    Oh yeah my hunter toon is defenitly fun
    yesterday I've been busy with forrest invading.....jesus what I saw was a Whole lot of griefers, the forrest is infested with them
    but lvl 2 now

    But I'm still not shure about the Knight and Warrior
    As Solaire says they are warriors of sunlight and as for the pricess guard they also use miricals (high faith)
    It seems that both are possible and suiteble


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