Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Bcc17 on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:39 pm

    zzombieboy wrote:
    Tolvo wrote:Areas added with a main focus on PvE, to my understanding two or three. Areas added with the main intent of PvP, 1. Areas in the original game with the intent of PvE, all of them. Areas in the game with the focus being PvP, possibl two, if you consider Dark Anor Londo, and Painted World.

    What the heck do areas matter? What were they supposed to add as new content? Loading screens? Areas equally benefit Pve and PvP. Look at what they fixed/nerfed, and honestly tell me that you think most of the significant changes were mainly for PvE.

    I can't OHKO backstab forest NPCs anymore, so there's that...


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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:39 pm

    They make PvE more difficult, and also change PvP. I can't really say if they were intended for PvP other than the
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    changes, because that one wouldn't change PvE much at all. So that one I think is all PvP. The rest though strike me as just making the game generally more difficult, which I agree with because in its current state its just too easy to
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    So, I still disagree.
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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:40 pm

    zzombieboy wrote:
    BaalDS wrote:Keep this thread on topic or it will be locked.

    95% of this thread hasn't been on topic. You may as well lock it (and 70% of the other threads on here).

    Actually most of us were actually discussing buffs. . .

    BaalDS wrote:Keep this thread on topic or it will be locked.

    We can only try Prayer




    But I'm going to try and get a video up that crunches numbers and shows off buffs a bit more to get a little more info. Or even if there is no video, get some concrete numbers.


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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:40 pm

    Blaine's thread on Catalysts might help, I think in the resources thread there is one for SLB, and one for DMB.
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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by zzombieboy on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:41 pm

    Knight Alundil wrote:
    Knight Alundil wrote:
    zzombieboy wrote:Rather than attempting sarcasm, how about you actually consider a valid point(s)?

    Okay I admit I didnt even read it. As soon as you said "Caps will help" I lost interest. You can't fault me at all for that though that's your reasoning capabilities.

    Ok I read it and if you actually look back at all the posts i've made you'll see why what you said has no relation to any point I made. It's only relevant to what other people said. I have said nothing of PvE and PvP. I'm talking about the game as a whole. Any debate down that road I have not been involved in happy

    So y'know... maybe read properly before you insult people about not being able to read big grin

    My posts (previous to your quoted one) weren't actually directed at you. So, you know...learn to read before you accuse others of not being able to read before they accuse others of not being able to read.


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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Knight Alundil on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:42 pm

    zzombieboy wrote:
    Knight Alundil wrote:
    Knight Alundil wrote:
    zzombieboy wrote:Rather than attempting sarcasm, how about you actually consider a valid point(s)?

    Okay I admit I didnt even read it. As soon as you said "Caps will help" I lost interest. You can't fault me at all for that though that's your reasoning capabilities.

    Ok I read it and if you actually look back at all the posts i've made you'll see why what you said has no relation to any point I made. It's only relevant to what other people said. I have said nothing of PvE and PvP. I'm talking about the game as a whole. Any debate down that road I have not been involved in happy

    So y'know... maybe read properly before you insult people about not being able to read big grin

    My posts (previous to your quoted one) weren't actually directed at you. So, you know...learn to read before you accuse others of not being able to read before they accuse others of not being able to read.

    Ok this is my last post to you bud.

    You're right. Your posts weren't directed at me. Then you were a **** so i called you on it.

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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by zzombieboy on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:45 pm

    Knight Alundil wrote:
    zzombieboy wrote:
    Knight Alundil wrote:
    Knight Alundil wrote:
    zzombieboy wrote:Rather than attempting sarcasm, how about you actually consider a valid point(s)?

    Okay I admit I didnt even read it. As soon as you said "Caps will help" I lost interest. You can't fault me at all for that though that's your reasoning capabilities.

    Ok I read it and if you actually look back at all the posts i've made you'll see why what you said has no relation to any point I made. It's only relevant to what other people said. I have said nothing of PvE and PvP. I'm talking about the game as a whole. Any debate down that road I have not been involved in happy

    So y'know... maybe read properly before you insult people about not being able to read big grin

    My posts (previous to your quoted one) weren't actually directed at you. So, you know...learn to read before you accuse others of not being able to read before they accuse others of not being able to read.

    Ok this is my last post to you bud.

    You're right. Your posts weren't directed at me. Then you were a **** so i called you on it.

    Which actually makes you a **** (just saying).

    Correct me if I'm wrong Buggy, but wasn't the OP concerned with discussing whether buffs were intended for PvP or PvE, not whether they were OP or not? Because that would actually make the majority of posts off-topic.


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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:45 pm

    Tolvo wrote:Blaine's thread on Catalysts might help, I think in the resources thread there is one for SLB, and one for DMB.

    Looked through the DMB thread, but it doesn't really track total damage with split and other stuff I am looking for like cast time.

    You know who knows, whoever runs Mugen. I suspect he actually knows the real damage algorithms.


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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:47 pm

    zzombieboy wrote:
    Knight Alundil wrote:
    zzombieboy wrote:
    Knight Alundil wrote:
    Knight Alundil wrote:
    zzombieboy wrote:Rather than attempting sarcasm, how about you actually consider a valid point(s)?

    Okay I admit I didnt even read it. As soon as you said "Caps will help" I lost interest. You can't fault me at all for that though that's your reasoning capabilities.

    Ok I read it and if you actually look back at all the posts i've made you'll see why what you said has no relation to any point I made. It's only relevant to what other people said. I have said nothing of PvE and PvP. I'm talking about the game as a whole. Any debate down that road I have not been involved in happy

    So y'know... maybe read properly before you insult people about not being able to read big grin

    My posts (previous to your quoted one) weren't actually directed at you. So, you know...learn to read before you accuse others of not being able to read before they accuse others of not being able to read.

    Ok this is my last post to you bud.

    You're right. Your posts weren't directed at me. Then you were a **** so i called you on it.

    Which actually makes you a **** (just saying).

    Correct me if I'm wrong Buggy, but wasn't the OP concerned with discussing whether buffs were intended for PvP or PvE, not whether they were OP or not? Because that would actually make the majority of posts off-topic.

    It was more putting forth the fact that they are unbalanced for the current player intended purpose of using them within duels, and seemed to be a tool that was meant to be used with greater utility in PvE or PvP invasions.

    So kind of, but it is kind of a broad topic at the same time.


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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:47 pm

    Well he has posted on the site before, and you can email him through Mugen I think and ask him. I'm pretty sure Blaine himself knows too, but he's like a ghost drifting in and out.
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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by RANT on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:48 pm

    I answered your questions and you brought up all the other stuff that had nothing to do with the questions you asked, plus you make this childish all caps crap which was pretty funny btw. And you ignore my answered and insult most of the people I the forum lol good job dude, I should've done what calli did and just give up on you a while ago, have a good night.


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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by zzombieboy on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:50 pm

    RantFromRant wrote:I answered your questions and you brought up all the other stuff that had nothing to do with the questions you asked, plus you make this childish all caps crap which was pretty funny btw. And you ignore my answered and insult most of the people I the forum lol good job dude, I should've done what calli did and just give up on you a while ago, have a good night.

    You forum Bro's (or should I say fan-boys) need to stick together, right? God forbid someone should actually make a valid point that you can't just copy-pasta a reply to.


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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Knight Alundil on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:51 pm

    zzombieboy wrote:
    RantFromRant wrote:I answered your questions and you brought up all the other stuff that had nothing to do with the questions you asked, plus you make this childish all caps crap which was pretty funny btw. And you ignore my answered and insult most of the people I the forum lol good job dude, I should've done what calli did and just give up on you a while ago, have a good night.

    You forum Bro's (or should I say fan-boys) need to stick together, right? God forbid someone should actually make a valid point that you can't just copy-pasta a reply to.

    Hey man

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cR2_FX3poA

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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Bcc17 on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:53 pm

    Knight Alundil wrote:
    zzombieboy wrote:
    RantFromRant wrote:I answered your questions and you brought up all the other stuff that had nothing to do with the questions you asked, plus you make this childish all caps crap which was pretty funny btw. And you ignore my answered and insult most of the people I the forum lol good job dude, I should've done what calli did and just give up on you a while ago, have a good night.

    You forum Bro's (or should I say fan-boys) need to stick together, right? God forbid someone should actually make a valid point that you can't just copy-pasta a reply to.

    Hey man

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cR2_FX3poA

    Oh my God YES!

    I love you man.


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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:54 pm

    While a catchy song, that was quite unnecessary.
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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by zzombieboy on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:54 pm

    Knight Alundil wrote:
    zzombieboy wrote:
    RantFromRant wrote:I answered your questions and you brought up all the other stuff that had nothing to do with the questions you asked, plus you make this childish all caps crap which was pretty funny btw. And you ignore my answered and insult most of the people I the forum lol good job dude, I should've done what calli did and just give up on you a while ago, have a good night.

    You forum Bro's (or should I say fan-boys) need to stick together, right? God forbid someone should actually make a valid point that you can't just copy-pasta a reply to.

    Hey man

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cR2_FX3poA

    I'm totally impressed. Such originality.

    RantFromRant - You didn't actually reply to my reply, so stfu.


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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:54 pm

    Tolvo wrote:Well he has posted on the site before, and you can email him through Mugen I think and ask him. I'm pretty sure Blaine himself knows too, but he's like a ghost drifting in and out.

    He's so. . .


    Mysterious. . .




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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Knight Alundil on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:55 pm

    zzombieboy wrote:
    Knight Alundil wrote:
    zzombieboy wrote:
    RantFromRant wrote:I answered your questions and you brought up all the other stuff that had nothing to do with the questions you asked, plus you make this childish all caps crap which was pretty funny btw. And you ignore my answered and insult most of the people I the forum lol good job dude, I should've done what calli did and just give up on you a while ago, have a good night.

    You forum Bro's (or should I say fan-boys) need to stick together, right? God forbid someone should actually make a valid point that you can't just copy-pasta a reply to.

    Hey man

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cR2_FX3poA

    I'm totally impressed. Such originality.

    RantFromRant - You didn't actually reply to my reply, so stfu.

    *Does the originality dance*

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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:56 pm

    I just think it's more so Blaine has lost interest in the game. He's played it a lot and cataloged so much, he's only human. I know I can't be entertained by any one thing that long haha.
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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:58 pm

    Tolvo wrote:I just think it's more so Blaine has lost interest in the game. He's played it a lot and cataloged so much, he's only human. I know I can't be entertained by any one thing that long haha.

    I'm feeling the same way lately as well, I'm barely playing till DLC, and after that I probably won't stick around super long. A man can only take so much Dark Souls.


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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:59 pm

    I'm not playing till the DLC either, also Blaine is actually in the Borderlands 2 thread right now, so messaging him might get his attention.
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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by zzombieboy on Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:01 pm

    BaalDS wrote:Keep this thread on topic or it will be locked.

    Look, more off-topic posts. I bet you won't complain about those.


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    Re: Buffs weren't intended for competitive PvP

    Post by Baal-Avatar on Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:02 pm

    Flaming and trolling are not allowed in the forums.

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