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    This makes me so mad....

    Post by AquaZeroX26 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:06 pm

    Guys, please watch this 1st....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1wdxO8jVt4


    now tell me why this game is "so unique"

    They just copied, renamed, **** on and made it a "if you want better **** faster you have to buy stuff with real money but hey, its still free to play hurr durr"

    Is anyone else pissed?


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:17 pm

    It's an arcade game. I'm always a little less harsh on those.

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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by AquaZeroX26 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:32 pm

    yeah but its an exact copy and calling it unique? watch, from is gonna sue eventually lol


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:41 pm

    If it means they can earn some extra cash without milking the consumers then I'm all for the lawsuit. silly

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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by BartholomewWenceslas on Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:10 am

    I like how they called blending the lines of single and multiplayer what makes the game completely unique when it's already been done. That was a pretty bad trailer too. It showed about two different settings all just killing a bunch of enemies. There didn't seem to be any rhyme or reason other than just killing them :|


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:56 am

    I think it's a really nice expansion upon the basis that souls multiplayer is formed..

    Oh wait, they said it's unique.. seems legit lol!


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by SlakeMoth on Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:10 am

    It looks like a rip-off but, if you think about it, 'imitation is the sincerest form of flattery', to coin a phrase.
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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:22 am

    To be fair, it's the same methodology for the online play, but the point is completely the opposite of souls. It's encouraging maximum interaction between players and emphasises a feeling of unity amongst the online community of the game, while souls is the opposite and is used to show simply how alone you really are.

    I can see how they could call it innovative as this system does genuinely seem to add new ideas to use of online play, but it's in no way unique


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:40 am

    Subtle copying was blatant... They would have made a better game if they just mirrored the DkS world and named it Souls Dark. Red + Blue phantoms would be helpers, Orange and White would be invaders. Essentially what I mean by mirrored is eg; the burg is currently to the left of Firelink, it now would be to the right, that would make the graveyard where petrus normally is! THIS IDEA IS GENIUS! MAKE SOULS DARK NOW!


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:14 am

    I wouldn't mind if they just treat it like a unique achievement. That's the real annoying part.
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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:47 pm

    To be fair, the saying goes 'there's nothing new under the sun', and really while i'm sure it's annoying and disappointing to say, from will have got their wonderful online system idea from somewhere in all likelihood.


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by SlakeMoth on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:03 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:To be fair, the saying goes 'there's nothing new under the sun', and really while i'm sure it's annoying and disappointing to say, from will have got their wonderful online system idea from somewhere in all likelihood.

    Or maybe they just had a wonderful original thinker on their team. Everything has to start somewhere.
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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:17 pm

    Probably the System they use was not in use before, but is a mix of previously designed systems just molded together.
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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by PlasticandRage on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:27 pm

    Personally I don't think you can hold the silly words of one developer against a whole game. We're all fans of the souls series here. If this game brings similar play, then who cares? It might be great. We might all end up loving it. I say bring on more of the same.


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:48 pm

    It shows badly in that the person designing the game needs to do more research on what other games are in development. While Dark/Demon's are not huge titles they are fairly large and are games they should be aware of.
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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by PlasticandRage on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:56 pm

    Tolvo wrote:It shows badly in that the person designing the game needs to do more research on what other games are in development. While Dark/Demon's are not huge titles they are fairly large and are games they should be aware of.

    I think they probably are already. Watching the trailer I'm seeing something that looks really similar to the souls game's white phantoms, only with red coloring. See what I'm talking about? I'd call that system, seeing other players in other worlds as transparent phantoms, an idea that's a kind of signature of the soul's games. I can't see them just randomly coming up with that idea without having seen it somewhere else first. It just strikes me as being too much of a coincidence. It's possible that it is, but I don't think so. Still, it wouldn't prevent me from playing a game that looks like I'd enjoy.


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:00 pm

    In which case the developer talking about it was lying, which is never a good sign. Of course developers do it to try and make people buy their game, but that still can put off customers.
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    Post by PlasticandRage on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:18 pm

    Tolvo wrote:In which case the developer talking about it was lying, which is never a good sign. Of course developers do it to try and make people buy their game, but that still can put off customers.

    Yeah, I can't argue with any of that. IMO credit always should be given where it's due, but my hang up, or at least one of my hang ups, is that we don't know the circumstances. For all we know they were directly influenced by From, and wanted to give credit, but for legal reasons couldn't. Or maybe From saw their game and didn't like something about it, or didn't like something about the developers, and specifically asked that they didn't equate it to their own work. It could be any number of things. What I find most likely is that the developers are fans of the souls series and when they started producing their own game, knowing how spectacular the souls games are, they were inspired to play off of some of the same concepts. I feel like as such rabid fans as most of us are, if any of us were game developers I can't see us not in some way being inspired by From. When it comes down to it in the end, we don't hurt From by buying similar games. It only hurts From if we stop buying their products.

    And, all said and done, I can't see the release of this game accomplishing that at all. It just doesn't look good enough to be real competition.


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:21 pm

    The issue with that though is he should have just not described it as unique even if there were reasons which did not allow him to mention other games. Perhaps it was a slip up on his part but still it is said and is out there. I'm not sure if they've made any public announcements about that though as I've only seen this one interview/trailer.
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    Post by PlasticandRage on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:23 pm

    ^ Yeah, again, I can't argue with that. Even if, for some reason we don't know, they couldn't give a shout out to From, it's still a bit silly to describe it as a wholly unique experience.


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by ChizFreak on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:29 pm

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    I really don't give a *** which game copies which game, as long as it's
    a great game. It seems fun, I'm gonna research about it. But the graphics are really bad. Looks like a PS2 game with slightly better shaders.

    It's only for XBLA? Would be a shame.


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by BartholomewWenceslas on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:43 pm

    It sort of reminds me of the Binding of Isaac and Sushi Castle issue that arose. Sushi Castle wasn't necessarily an awful game, but it was a blatant rip-off of the Binding of Isaac, and as such, pretty much everyone who was a fan of that kind of game hated Sushi Castle for copying TBoI.


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    Post by Reaperfan on Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:48 pm

    Diddy Kong Racing is just a blatant rip-off of Mario Kart 64. Go karting races with famous game characters where you pick up items that you can use to mess other players up? Why don't they just call it Mario Kart: Rare Edition? Nevermind that the items aren't randomly picked and have upgrade systems, or that there's a story mode and multiple types of vehicles. Still just a ripoff.

    No offense guys, but this is what it kind of sounds like. Sure they take some elements from the Souls game that worked for this type of connectivity, but they also seem to expand on it some. Your "covenant" not only affects how you interact online, but also your story progression? Appearing not as just an invader, but as a powered-up boss version of yourself? Even if the ideas aren't completely original, they put certain "unique" spins on them that could change how the game as a whole operates.


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:01 pm

    Reaperfan wrote:Diddy Kong Racing is just a blatant rip-off of Mario Kart 64. Go karting races with famous game characters where you pick up items that you can use to mess other players up? Why don't they just call it Mario Kart: Rare Edition? Nevermind that the items aren't randomly picked and have upgrade systems, or that there's a story mode and multiple types of vehicles. Still just a ripoff.

    No offense guys, but this is what it kind of sounds like. Sure they take some elements from the Souls game that worked for this type of connectivity, but they also seem to expand on it some. Your "covenant" not only affects how you interact online, but also your story progression? Appearing not as just an invader, but as a powered-up boss version of yourself? Even if the ideas aren't completely original, they put certain "unique" spins on them that could change how the game as a whole operates.

    Exactly reaper, everything these days takes inspiration from work that has been done before and expands upon it, creating something new and different..

    I also have to give a shout out to mario kart influencing what is the best kart racing game ever- CTR.


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    Re: This makes me so mad....

    Post by ChizFreak on Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:54 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:
    Reaperfan wrote:Diddy Kong Racing is just a blatant rip-off of Mario Kart 64. Go karting races with famous game characters where you pick up items that you can use to mess other players up? Why don't they just call it Mario Kart: Rare Edition? Nevermind that the items aren't randomly picked and have upgrade systems, or that there's a story mode and multiple types of vehicles. Still just a ripoff.

    No offense guys, but this is what it kind of sounds like. Sure they take some elements from the Souls game that worked for this type of connectivity, but they also seem to expand on it some. Your "covenant" not only affects how you interact online, but also your story progression? Appearing not as just an invader, but as a powered-up boss version of yourself? Even if the ideas aren't completely original, they put certain "unique" spins on them that could change how the game as a whole operates.

    Exactly reaper, everything these days takes inspiration from work that has been done before and expands upon it, creating something new and different..

    I also have to give a shout out to mario kart influencing what is the best kart racing game ever- CTR.

    Completely agree, Crash Team Racing kicked ***.


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