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    Post by Midgar on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:18 pm

    I remember having a lot more fun with it in Demon Soul's, it was a lot more effective there if I recall correctly. All the spells now cast incredibly slow making them easily dodgeable, a 10 year old could button bash and still dodge most of them. Not to mention compared to the offensive spells for miracles and pyromancy they are complete crap. At least miracles/pyros have spells that cover a 360 radius even if they are still a bit slow to cast, far more likely to actually hit someone. My main build is intel and I hardly ever use sorcery, it's extremely rare I actually hit someone and when I do it's usually when they try to estus or stop to use a spell. Guess I'll make a faith build sad


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by Serious_Much on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:20 pm

    ....So you are rating the effectiveness of it on the fact you can dodge it?

    you can dodge anything in PvP not just sorcery, lol


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

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    If Big Hat Carphil invade you and sundetly you die by a Crystal Soul Spear, don't cry.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by Midgar on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:24 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:....So you are rating the effectiveness of it on the fact you can dodge it?

    you can dodge anything in PvP not just sorcery, lol

    More like how slow they are to use, you can easily see it coming unless you have the reflexes of a turtle. Just roll to the side and it's avoided, you can get hit far more easily with spells like WoG or Chaos Storm. Just saying Sorcery is pretty underpowered.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by Serious_Much on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:26 pm

    It's not underpowered.. in fact it's far more powerful than other magics and thats the point.

    You're less likely to hit with it, but if you do it'll either be an insta kill or they'll have just enough health left to watch you finish them off.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by Carphil on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:27 pm

    You have -14 rep and you're just trolling, perfect target pratice for soul spear


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by Midgar on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:28 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:It's not underpowered.. in fact it's far more powerful than other magics and thats the point.

    You're less likely to hit with it, but if you do it'll either be an insta kill or they'll have just enough health left to watch you finish them off.

    I don't agree with that, I have 50 Intel and I hit someone earlier for like 400-500. That's maybe a 1/3 of their health. And if they use a shield, well..that's obvious.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by meridam99 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:29 pm

    In Demon's Souls, magic was WAY overpowered. You could play the whole game without basically picking up a sword (unless you were going to platinum). I think I killed each and every boss in Demon Souls except Old Monk with Magic. In PVP in Demon's Souls it was Sorcery > DBS > Meat Cleaver > then any other weapon with Fatal then backstab.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by Midgar on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:31 pm

    Carphil wrote:You have -14 rep and you're just trolling, perfect target pratice for soul spear

    And you're probably just a 16 year old kid so your opinion is worthless, either that or you're 30 years old and grow your EPeen out by trying to put people down on a forum. I applaud you sir.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by Serious_Much on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:31 pm

    Midgar wrote:
    Serious_Much wrote:It's not underpowered.. in fact it's far more powerful than other magics and thats the point.

    You're less likely to hit with it, but if you do it'll either be an insta kill or they'll have just enough health left to watch you finish them off.

    I don't agree with that, I have 50 Intel and I hit someone earlier for like 400-500. That's maybe a 1/3 of their health. And if they use a shield, well..that's obvious.

    equip bellowing ring, crown of dusk, TCC, hit someone with crystal soul spear then come back and tell me it's underpowered. seriously.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by Midgar on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:32 pm

    meridam99 wrote:In Demon's Souls, magic was WAY overpowered. You could play the whole game without basically picking up a sword (unless you were going to platinum). I think I killed each and every boss in Demon Souls except Old Monk with Magic. In PVP in Demon's Souls it was Sorcery > DBS > Meat Cleaver > then any other weapon with Fatal then backstab.

    Yeah, I was all about Sorcery when I played in Demon Soul's, it was awesome. I think the animation for casting might've been faster too but I could be wrong, it's beena few years since I last played that game lol.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by djgq42 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:34 pm

    Carphil wrote:You have -14 rep and you're just trolling, perfect target pratice for soul spear

    now that was funny:lol: enjoy your cookie!


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by Serious_Much on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:34 pm

    Midgar wrote:
    meridam99 wrote:In Demon's Souls, magic was WAY overpowered. You could play the whole game without basically picking up a sword (unless you were going to platinum). I think I killed each and every boss in Demon Souls except Old Monk with Magic. In PVP in Demon's Souls it was Sorcery > DBS > Meat Cleaver > then any other weapon with Fatal then backstab.

    Yeah, I was all about Sorcery when I played in Demon Soul's, it was awesome. I think the animation for casting might've been faster too but I could be wrong, it's beena few years since I last played that game lol.

    I only just started a mage character (literally just to see what happened if you kill vanguard) but the casting on soul arrow seems faster yeah.

    I can understand why Dark souls implemented cast numbers, having unlimited (pretty much) castings of powerful sorceries would mean a crazy easy time, looking forward to trolling demons with it after my first play through big grin


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by meridam99 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:35 pm

    Midgar wrote:
    meridam99 wrote:In Demon's Souls, magic was WAY overpowered. You could play the whole game without basically picking up a sword (unless you were going to platinum). I think I killed each and every boss in Demon Souls except Old Monk with Magic. In PVP in Demon's Souls it was Sorcery > DBS > Meat Cleaver > then any other weapon with Fatal then backstab.

    Yeah, I was all about Sorcery when I played in Demon Soul's, it was awesome. I think the animation for casting might've been faster too but I could be wrong, it's beena few years since I last played that game lol.


    What I meant is that Demon's Souls was magic Centric, Dark Souls is Melee Centric.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

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    Serious_Much wrote:It's not underpowered.. in fact it's far more powerful than other magics and thats the point.

    You're less likely to hit with it, but if you do it'll either be an insta kill or they'll have just enough health left to watch you finish them off.

    I don't agree with that, I have 50 Intel and I hit someone earlier for like 400-500. That's maybe a 1/3 of their health. And if they use a shield, well..that's obvious.

    equip bellowing ring, crown of dusk, TCC, hit someone with crystal soul spear then come back and tell me it's underpowered. seriously.

    Hmm well I've never used the first two with the TCC, you only get two casts though and they are likely misses, oh well I'll try your suggestion. Maybe I'll use the basic soul arrow and see what kind of damage it does, it's a lot faster, might be worth it.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by Liff Daddy on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:37 pm

    I haven't really touched sorcery, but when I come across it in PvP I have no issues with it. Besides CMW it seems pretty meh for PvP, although I assume it's very good in PvE.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by Serious_Much on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:38 pm

    Meri did you just mess up your post a bit?

    though i can tell what you wrote and i think that its not that demons isnt magic centric, its more that the magic in demons was easier to be used as your entire play style.

    But yes, dark souls is melee centric as it encourage magic to be support only.

    Anyone else think that they should bring back creation of spells form boss souls? I think that was an awesome idea personally.

    also Midgar even with those boosts i doubt soul arrow would be very useful, sorcery is good when you stack the soul spears for PvP, honestly when you do that it's lethal, the lag pretty much lets you get hits with it :|


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by strangejoy on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:40 pm

    It's not useless. But I sure wish HCSM didn't go awol during invasions. It also would have been nice if there were a catalyst that allowed you to cast two schools of spells (the izalith catalyst would have been a good contender for a pyro/sorcery hybrid).


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

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    @aceluby and @Serious_Much



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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by nhbdy on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:42 pm

    So let me get this straight... it was overpowered to the point of dominance in Des, and they nerfed it when they released this game, to the point that it is merely viable, and you're mad about this?
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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by aceluby on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:42 pm

    You've obviously never fought me...

    I've got the bellowing ring + dusk crown and can take out almost anyone in two hits of either CSS or HCSM. I also change it up frequently so you may think I'm casting CSS and instead HCSM to hit you as you get out of your roll, or the opposite and you get a CSS to the face. Couple that with the moonlight greatsword which I can two hand at any point to finish you off and you can pretty easily see why I win most of my PvP as a battle mage.

    Seems to me you just need to get better.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

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    strangejoy wrote:It's not useless. But I sure wish HCSM didn't go awol during invasions. It also would have been nice if there were a catalyst that allowed you to cast two schools of spells (the izalith catalyst would have been a good contender for a pyro/sorcery hybrid).

    I think the reason they don't have things like that is same reason for not having mp this time, it's to encourage melee as primary form of combat. Having a catalyst that can do both would increase your ability to have a character doing that


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

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    nhbdy wrote:So let me get this straight... it was overpowered to the point of dominance in Des, and they nerfed it when they released this game, to the point that it is merely viable, and you're mad about this?


    Not mad, it's a video game lol, just saying I haven't found Sorcery nearly as useful in Dark Souls, it'd be cool if it were.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by lextune on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:45 pm

    Sorcery destroys in PvE.

    My Mage build was super fun. You are squishy so need to keep your distance, but can annihilate from a reasonable distance.

    PvP is different of course, other than the buffs it is not super helpful....and again, you are usually quite low in vit/end.


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    Re: Sorcery is useless

    Post by meridam99 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:45 pm

    strangejoy wrote:It also would have been nice if there were a catalyst that allowed you to cast two schools of spells (the izalith catalyst would have been a good contender for a pyro/sorcery hybrid).

    I was actually thinking of two types items to cast spells:

    Defensive Catalyst - Ivory Talisman

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