Extinguish the bonfires. No bonfire run

Alright, I killed gwynever setting in motion the chain of events. Anor Londo is now dark with no firekeeper. Ran down and killed Petrus, rhea is now doing whatever it is that she does in dukes archives. went ahead and down to the EDRAGON. His fire was already lit. I put an incredible beating on him. I used wrath of gods next to him with the ring of firstborn son and 50 faith. He gets his tail cut off again. And again. And then again. And I hurl great bolts Into his bloody wound. He just keeps on going.
The only thing left to do before placing the lord vessel is to kill the stray demon... I guess. Anybody have any opinions on what it means to place the lord vessel? Is that like lighting a bonfire? Or is it merely a lordfire which in essence is different from the others. Decisions decisions.
Trying to decide if I should kill "my lady" firekeeper before placing the vessel. That would put out every fire that we know how to put out.
I like that NpCs are scared of me. Like the as I killed the anor Londo firekeeper, she's all like "how the! gwyndolin, this man, he is dangerous!" and that's what stupid eingy said about me. The game still plays like this is how it should go down. Just the way I had to scramble back through the shortcuts, sens fortress an down to blight town to get leveling and warp abilities, or the way the catacombs allows u to shortcut through so it's very possible to do this without adding heaps of time to your game. As long as you play it right.

I KILLED another fire keeper. The ONLY remaining fire is now stone cold steve dragon.

I am convinced these unlit bonfires are getting smaller. Absolutely convinced. Can someone else confirm this? For instance, when Lautrec kills the firekeeper, do the flames visible in the UNLINKED fires get smaller?

I am convinced that they do get smaller. Now that I only have the stone dragon, I cant really even make out a flame in them. I can see that there is MORE burning in it then at the firekeeper fire that def. went out. But less burning in the unlit bonfire after killing a keeper, then even less, then even less. Now all I have is the stone dragon. All fires out except the stone dragon, and I have not placed the vessel.

My guess would be that if you can extinguish that fire before progressing to the next playthrough you should avoid placing the lordvessel for now. Now the million dollar question......how to put out that last fire

fireLESS wrote:I KILLED another fire keeper. The ONLY remaining fire is now stone cold steve dragon.

I am convinced these unlit bonfires are getting smaller. Absolutely convinced. Can someone else confirm this? For instance, when Lautrec kills the firekeeper, do the flames visible in the UNLINKED fires get smaller?

I have put out every single fire in my world now, I am on NG+++... the unlit bonfires no longer glow, and in fact, when I accidentally tried to light one, I got the message "The Bonfire is unstable" and it just went back out immediately.

So now I just have to ask, has anyone seen this before? What the *** just happened?

Holy COW! THAT IS HUGE. This is what I am talking about!!! RESULTS BABY!

Get your butt down to Edragon and do work son!

I'm already down there... I was going to visit him when I impulsively lit the bonfire at the top of the tree... and as I mentioned, it just sputtered back out, and I got a "The bonfire is unstable" message in bold letters, instead of "You lit the bonfire" or whatever the message usually says.

As far as the E-Dragon? Nothing has changed down here.

Interesting. Ya know whats weird. When I mentioned the flame getting smaler in the fire. It was also the fire at the top of the Hollow....

If we assume that a Firekeeper tends one but influences many I would think that the fire you're talking about would be connected to the dragon. I would say try another bonfire to light but if you did bring forth flame then......uh.....that would be a lot of time gone.

skarekrow13 wrote:If we assume that a Firekeeper tends one but influences many I would think that the fire you're talking about would be connected to the dragon. I would say try another bonfire to light but if you did bring forth flame then......uh.....that would be a lot of time gone.

I like that phrase "a firekeeper tends one but influences many". This is a true statement. The fire keeper fires are important, (more important or historic than the other bonfires)
Thats why I can still warp to Firlink Shrine, Anor Londo, and Daughter of Chaos from the stone dragon.

Still this theory is awesome only if we can kill the E dragon. I still think following the intro with the correct miasma will do the trick, OR its initiated through coop or uncovering the REAL firekeeper hiding beneath the dragon. or something.
CAN I SET DOWN THE FREAKING LORD VESSEL OR NOT? I guess I have to.

This game is awesome. (SIDE NOTE)

Perhaps the Everlasting Dragon isn't the Firekeeper at all, but is just resting there. Anastasia, for example, is not immediately near the Firelink Shrine bonfire. The closest person to this bonfire is The Crestfallen Warrior. This would make some sense, as dragons apparently can't use humanity, and an essential element for being a Firekeeper is that they draw massive amounts of humanity. Also, so much humanity results in deformities yet the Everlasting Dragon seems completely healthy. Perhaps you don't have to kill the Everlasting Dragon at all.

This leads to another thought: the Fair Lady is said to be sick because of sucking the poison from Eingyi's body in an attempt to heal him. However, returning to Firekeeper lore, the massive amounts of humanity they absorb deform their bodies. Perhaps she was temporarily ill due to the poison, but became sicker the more humanity Quelaag bought to her. Quelaag may have been inadvertently killing her sister's eggs by hunting so much humanity. The Fair Lady herself says that her eggs have stopped moving, yet the implication is that the eggs were moving while she was sick, but started to stop. Perhaps that is why there is a record of how much humanity has been given to her. Especially since the text dump didn't show any dialogue in which she fully recovers. It could also be the case that the nature of her Firekeeper deformity is that her eggs will always be weaker, but the more humanity she absorbs to gain more strength personally, the more of them will die. The poison may not have been the key cause of her wasting illness at all. Just speculation.

Maybe Priscilla's is the furtive Pygmy and in addition to all the other introductory stuff (bolts, miasma,) we also need her knife. At any rate, I think I will have to place the lord vessel.

Rynn wrote:I'm already down there... I was going to visit him when I impulsively lit the bonfire at the top of the tree... and as I mentioned, it just sputtered back out, and I got a "The bonfire is unstable" message in bold letters, instead of "You lit the bonfire" or whatever the message usually says.

As far as the E-Dragon? Nothing has changed down here.

Dude? This is huge... Why is there not a bigger reaction to this? "The bonfire is unstable?"

I dont think anyone's even heard of that before.

Eolan wrote:

Rynn wrote:I'm already down there... I was going to visit him when I impulsively lit the bonfire at the top of the tree... and as I mentioned, it just sputtered back out, and I got a "The bonfire is unstable" message in bold letters, instead of "You lit the bonfire" or whatever the message usually says.

As far as the E-Dragon? Nothing has changed down here.

Dude? This is huge... Why is there not a bigger reaction to this? "The bonfire is unstable?"

I dont think anyone's even heard of that before.

I know. Very awesome! It gives significance to this. Think about it! We are most def onto something! I would confirm this by trying to light it, but I don't want to risk all the work I have put in here. Again, EVErYTHInG about this game tells us to extinguish the fires!

fireLESS wrote:Maybe Priscilla's is the furtive Pygmy and in addition to all the other introductory stuff (bolts, miasma,) we also need her knife. At any rate, I think I will have to place the lord vessel.

I suggested using Priscilla's Dagger in another thread. Maybe the bleed damage will counteract the Eternal Dragon's regeneration?

Or maybe he can't and doesn't have to be killed. Are there any other weapons said to be potent against dragons?

Yeah man me and my friend were talking about it all last night. hes new to dark souls but he digs the open ended story aspects heavily, and were fully supportin ya man ;)n Again if u need help on 360 i got builds for ya.

Priscis dagger is more likely to be effective against the gods

"the gods feared her lifehunt ability" I would imagine the E dragon is no firekeeeper, u just need to finish enough ng+ for all the fires to extinguish by themselves.


Pendant might be key to carrying your progress over... Its possible that "the bonfire is unstable" was supposed to be a more common occurance but is a bit buggy, hence miyazakis insistance that its use will become apparent after a few playthroughs....

Eolan wrote:Priscis dagger is more likely to be effective against the gods

"the gods feared her lifehunt ability" I would imagine the E dragon is no firekeeeper, u just need to finish enough ng+ for all the fires to extinguish by themselves.


Pendant might be key to carrying your progress over... Its possible that "the bonfire is unstable" was supposed to be a more common occurance but is a bit buggy, hence miyazakis insistance that its use will become apparent after a few playthroughs....

pardon? I have never kept up with the pendant info, what did he claim about it?

Eolan wrote:Priscis dagger is more likely to be effective against the gods

"the gods feared her lifehunt ability" I would imagine the E dragon is no firekeeeper, u just need to finish enough ng+ for all the fires to extinguish by themselves.


Pendant might be key to carrying your progress over... Its possible that "the bonfire is unstable" was supposed to be a more common occurance but is a bit buggy, hence miyazakis insistance that its use will become apparent after a few playthroughs....

I like this idea, and I think you are right. I have a character with 50 faith now. I guess I can strt accepting weapons when we come up with an idea of how to kill it. I'm thinking 50 faith and intelligence will be needed. Everyone agree on that? I imagine this run I will go ahead and place the vessel and go for NG+, and 50 intell now. The game is incredible and this is working, wish I had more free time.
Thanks for all the help! This could never be done without help from other people trying runs. Cooperation is sunbros and myasayuki would have chosen sunbros.

He claimed he might have chosen it as starting gift. Also that nobody has found its meaning yet. Also that the meaning of the pendant will help bet the game... Or something along those lines..

Oh miyazaki has insisted on several occasions that the pendant has a large significance, but players may only discover what that is in subsequent play-throughs. When the question is posed again he just shrugs and grins kinda thing... Could be a troll but you have found something very significant, ive been keeping my eyes on the dark souls lore, i know something big is on its way, and i have never heard of the fire going "unstable".

Could you p.m me some of the conditions or post em here?

Fire less you are onto something if you can get to where rynns at i just know it.

I think MIyazaki's quote was that the user would be more likely to discover its use after one playthrough but left it open that it was possible in NG.

Yup thats right, its more likely to be found in subsequent playthroughs though it can possibly be used first time round. I think thats just him knowing some lucky bstard might stumble on it...

Eolan wrote:Oh miyazaki has insisted on several occasions that the pendant has a large significance, but players may only discover what that is in subsequent play-throughs. When the question is posed again he just shrugs and grins kinda thing... Could be a troll but you have found something very significant, ive been keeping my eyes on the dark souls lore, i know something big is on its way, and i have never heard of the fire going "unstable".

Could you p.m me some of the conditions or post em here?

Yes this is the main thing right now and needs most the attention.
UNSTABLE BONFIRES??
It must be a result of killing the firekeepers and not lighting fires.
I am way too scared to test that on my guy right now...

Eolan wrote:Oh miyazaki has insisted on several occasions that the pendant has a large significance, but players may only discover what that is in subsequent play-throughs. When the question is posed again he just shrugs and grins kinda thing... Could be a troll but you have found something very significant, ive been keeping my eyes on the dark souls lore, i know something big is on its way, and i have never heard of the fire going "unstable".

Could you p.m me some of the conditions or post em here?

conditions? I don't understand the question, but I'll help any way possible.

and sorry for the slow replies, I'm trying to kill The lord of cinders again...