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    over used spells?

    Post by BARZOHD- on Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:46 pm

    Ok, lets get to it


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by Blazefury on Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:48 pm

    Great Combustion and Homing Crystal Soul Mass at PVP.


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by BARZOHD- on Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:49 pm

    dude, totally agree with that crystal soul mass. I had to invent in the crystal ring shield just to help stop that crap.


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by Serious_Much on Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:51 pm

    WoG, Great combustion, Flame tempest, HCSM.


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by Scudman_Slayer on Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:52 pm

    crystal soul spear is overused its on like what every mage out there?

    Great combustion is overused too specially the Lagstab + great combustion as soon as the guy barely gets up for an insta-kill, combo its annoying

    WoG overused its pretty self explanatory so i don''t think i'll need to say anything here


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by aceluby on Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:52 pm

    I rarely see spells besides WoG and some pyro here and there. My most overused spells are CSS and HCSM.


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by BARZOHD- on Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:55 pm

    is there a shield that blocks lots of magic damage besides the crystal ring shield?


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by Serious_Much on Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:55 pm

    crest shield, havel's shield block good magic damage


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by BARZOHD- on Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:56 pm

    but havels you cant upgrade can u? which i thought makes the crystal ring shield better. Crest shield i havent compared yet so no comment on that yet.


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    Post by Scudman_Slayer on Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:59 pm

    crest shield has 80% magic reduction and 100% physical reduction


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    Post by aceluby on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:00 pm

    I love spamming CSS at guys behind their shields...


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by BARZOHD- on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:01 pm

    maybe thats why crest shield is over used


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:06 pm

    havels upgrades with twinkly titanite i think, is just ugly and damned heavy


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by k0rruptid on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:08 pm

    will never understand when people act surprised people use the best/most damaging spells.

    like dur, would a mage in serious pvp ever use soul arrow? doubtful. pointless. not even viable.

    every spell is easy to dodge, just dodge dodge dodge til they run out.

    whats so difficult honestly.

    apart from lag how do people ever get hit by spells? if its lag, its either a lag magic shot or a lag stab, so either way lag ruins most of pvp.

    so which are we complaining about? powerful, yet very easily dodge able spells (which is kind of why they hit so hard), or lag?


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by Scudman_Slayer on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:10 pm

    both pretty much spells hit too hard and sometimes insta-kill people


    look at great combustion doing 800 damage when you hit someone with it

    and the lag which makes the great combustion hit the guy when it doesn't really hit him


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by k0rruptid on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:13 pm

    i personally think that any type of build can use melee effectively, mainly because for pvp magic sucks. mages/int build gets crystal magic weapon, faith gets sunlight/darkmoon blade, melee users get power within, ect.

    melee is by far the best way to pvp. magic is not much more than a distraction.

    thats what i mean, complaining about spells and lag are two different topics, this topic is about magic. not lag. everything will be affected negatively by lag. so....

    great combustion hitting for 800? lol, it has already been nerfed, and people know exactly what you are about to do if you switch to a pyro glove.

    simply because its so over used.

    i never hit people for 800 with combustion, and i have never been hit for 800. only counting regular high level pvp. where people tend to expect nothing other than combustion/wog.

    for me things like that were only ever a problem when i didn't even know about them.

    no use complaining about it, learn to counter it. would clearly be the better choice.


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    Post by Blazefury on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:15 pm

    sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:havels upgrades with twinkly titanite i think, is just ugly and damned heavy
    As far as I know, you cant upgrade Havel's Shield or any other piece in the set for that matter. It would be too OP, I guess.
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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by k0rruptid on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:17 pm

    you can upgrade havels shield to +5 and his dragon weapon club thing. upgrading his shield does nothing except add physical damage, which only counts if you use it in right hand for a weapon, as havels shields R2 buffs defense, and doesn't even shield bash.

    i have 2 shields, one regular, one +5.


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by BARZOHD- on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:18 pm

    well were not talking about best spells. The thread just says most over used. im not complaining cause of course its common sense someone is not gonna use soul arrow in pvp. pointing out obvious things doesnt really help now does it.


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by Scudman_Slayer on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:20 pm

    i know how to counter and i've seen it do 800 damage on phanton when i was invading in kiln
    (the host had summoned a guy through red soapstone because me and the guy who got it were red phantoms)

    CSS nearly one-shoting and sometimes insta-killing someone is quite bull if you ask me

    there are mages who use these spells because of the lag because they know if there's lag they know hitting their opponent will be a lot easier

    there are other who try to play legitmetly with spells and sometimes end up getting destroyed by it




    one underused spell (that i at least never see anyone using)
    is GReat heavy soul arrow
    it does around 500 damage it has a long cast sure however it curves around a lot which is good,still easily dodgeable though


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by k0rruptid on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:21 pm

    over used spells tend to be the best spells. soul mass, practically heat seaking, easy to dodge, crystal soul spear, one of the hardest hitting, wrath of god, all are over used, and among the best spells.

    i merely pointed out that they are only overused because they are simply the best options, and pretty much the only viable options for pvp. imo anyway.

    no need to split hairs, we are talking about the same topic.

    again, complaining about lag and complaining about powerful/overused spells, are 2 separate topics entirely.

    lag will ruin any aspect of pvp, any spell can hit you easily, any melee weapon can hit you easy, simply because the timing goes way off, and you have to dodge a second before to stand a chance at dodging.


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    Post by BARZOHD- on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:22 pm

    I usually start with a mage and then decide i dont like it. I go with the clerics nowadays. I like the aoe healing spells which people seem to like a lot when your co oping. wish i would see that more often


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    Post by BARZOHD- on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:23 pm

    lol he said split hairs


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:26 pm

    does upgrading havels shield improve the strength of the r2 buff?


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    Re: over used spells?

    Post by k0rruptid on Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:27 pm

    yes, did you not understand what it meant, or found it funny? because overused=best tend to be exactly the same.

    they are overused, because they are the best. in this case, best meaning most viable for pvp. soul spear hasa fast cast time, homing soul mass locks on automatically and allows you another spell to be cast at same time or melee whatever.


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