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    Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Derpwraith on Thu May 09, 2013 5:07 pm

    The Crown of Dusk and the Bellowing Dragoncrest Ring make Dark Bead hurt ALOT, a good in-your-face cast from the Crystallization Catalyst is more than enough to lay waste on bosses, other players, etc.

    Can you suggest some things that will make Dark Bead hurt even more?


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu May 09, 2013 5:11 pm

    Power Within and Red Tearstone Ring, also Manus Catalyst, provided you have the Strength to back it up.

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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing on Thu May 09, 2013 5:13 pm

    Add a lot of points into int, and have the strongest catalyst. I really don't have much else to add to this.


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Derpwraith on Thu May 09, 2013 5:18 pm

    I have 50 intelligence and it seems the Crystallization Catalyst has higher magic adjustment than the Manus catalyst, I may be wrong so I'll look again.

    I never knew the Red Tearstone ring and Power Within boosted the strength of sorceries.


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Thu May 09, 2013 5:29 pm

    El Vacío wrote:I have 50 intelligence and it seems the Crystallization Catalyst has higher magic adjustment than the Manus catalyst, I may be wrong so I'll look again.

    I never knew the Red Tearstone ring and Power Within boosted the strength of sorceries.

    Yes. You can get some amusingly obnoxious results stacking bellowing, dusk, PW, and red tearstone. Things like full-connected beads or fire tempest will 1-shot pretty much anybody.
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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Derpwraith on Thu May 09, 2013 5:31 pm

    TheMeInTeam wrote:
    El Vacío wrote:I have 50 intelligence and it seems the Crystallization Catalyst has higher magic adjustment than the Manus catalyst, I may be wrong so I'll look again.

    I never knew the Red Tearstone ring and Power Within boosted the strength of sorceries.

    Yes. You can get some amusingly obnoxious results stacking bellowing, dusk, PW, and red tearstone. Things like full-connected beads or fire tempest will 1-shot pretty much anybody.
    Hehehehe... AAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by ResIsBestStat on Thu May 09, 2013 5:33 pm

    El Vacío wrote:
    TheMeInTeam wrote:
    El Vacío wrote:I have 50 intelligence and it seems the Crystallization Catalyst has higher magic adjustment than the Manus catalyst, I may be wrong so I'll look again.

    I never knew the Red Tearstone ring and Power Within boosted the strength of sorceries.

    Yes. You can get some amusingly obnoxious results stacking bellowing, dusk, PW, and red tearstone. Things like full-connected beads or fire tempest will 1-shot pretty much anybody.
    Hehehehe... AAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Not a problem, I can dodge Dark Bead anytime any place
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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing on Thu May 09, 2013 5:36 pm

    The grave flaw is that once you know how to dodge dark bead, it is ineffective. That and the crest shield or a good anti-magic shield and add Great magic shield of course.


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Dibsville on Thu May 09, 2013 5:39 pm

    99 Intelligence
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    Manus Catalyst
    Bellowing Dragoncrest Ring
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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Glutebrah on Thu May 09, 2013 5:51 pm

    Dusk Crown + Dragon Ring + Red Tear stone + Power Within + 99 str + 99 int + Manus Catalyst + Dragon roar + phantom buddy doing CHanneler's Trident R2

    that's as strong as it will get.


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Thu May 09, 2013 6:09 pm

    I don't think roar boosts sorcery damage. Doesn't boost black flame damage in any case.


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Thu May 09, 2013 6:10 pm

    Glutebrah wrote:Dusk Crown + Dragon Ring + Red Tear stone + Power Within + 99 str + 99 int + Manus Catalyst + Dragon roar + phantom buddy doing CHanneler's Trident R2

    that's as strong as it will get.

    Wonders how you do a dragon roar with a dusk crown on? Hax? Or am I missing something about how the dragon body works? Please explain my lack of understanding.


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Dibsville on Thu May 09, 2013 6:11 pm

    Roars only boost the damage of physical attacks, so although it will show that the Catalyst's AR has increased, that's only for the melee attack. Magic doesn't receive the extra damage from the roar.


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Glutebrah on Thu May 09, 2013 7:11 pm

    Maneater_Mildred wrote:
    Wonders how you do a dragon roar with a dusk crown on? Hax? Or am I missing something about how the dragon body works? Please explain my lack of understanding.

    Saturday-Saint wrote:I don't think roar boosts sorcery damage. Doesn't boost black flame damage in any case.

    Dibsville wrote:Roars only boost the damage of physical attacks, so although it will show that the Catalyst's AR has increased, that's only for the melee attack. Magic doesn't receive the extra damage from the roar.

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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by lextune on Thu May 09, 2013 7:12 pm

    Dibsville wrote:99 Intelligence
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    ...that'll do it. silly


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Glutebrah on Thu May 09, 2013 7:14 pm

    lextune wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:99 Intelligence
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    ...that'll do it. silly

    + the Trident R2 if you have a phantom friend


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Ghoul on Thu May 09, 2013 9:57 pm

    Why is everyone forgetting the most important factor in making dark bead do massive damage?

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    TWOP!!! Preferably the longer and quicker casting stone greatsword version

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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Dibsville on Thu May 09, 2013 9:59 pm

    Ehh...


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing on Thu May 09, 2013 10:08 pm

    Not really. If you want it to do large amount damage just get hit by a few at a medium range to close range.


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Thu May 09, 2013 10:15 pm

    Glutebrah wrote:
    lextune wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:99 Intelligence
    99 Strength
    Manus Catalyst
    Bellowing Dragoncrest Ring
    Power Within
    Dusk Crown
    Red Tearstone
    ...that'll do it. silly

    + the Trident R2 if you have a phantom friend

    Yes..... But if you kick them 1st will you get the extra stagger damage?........


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Dibsville on Thu May 09, 2013 10:16 pm

    They'll recover by the time you get the hit, but I guess you could get the extra damage if your phantom kicked and you used it right afterwords. Although at that much damage a kick or not is going to OHKO, you wouldn't even need the Channeler buff.


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by CrackSouls on Fri May 10, 2013 12:51 am

    Saturday-Saint wrote:I don't think roar boosts sorcery damage. Doesn't boost black flame damage in any case.

    That's strange, I could've sworn it was a boost for everything. Testing time?


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by reim0027 on Fri May 10, 2013 1:02 am

    I know it doesn't. I've tried it on my glass cannon build.


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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Fri May 10, 2013 1:17 am

    Ghoul wrote:Why is everyone forgetting the most important factor in making dark bead do massive damage?

    Spoiler:
    TWOP!!! Preferably the longer and quicker casting stone greatsword version


    If you want minimal investment into magic you can use stone sword TWOP + boosted flame tempest (PW,, Bellowing, Dusk). While technically not as much damage, I'm pretty sure that will one shot virtually every legit build in existence. In fact just bellowing + dusk is usually enough for a tempest to OHKO somebody. People forget how powerful it is because of how easy it (usually) is to dodge it, but it's easily my favorite cheap-shot on gankers to put my back to a wall and poise cast it. You get a lot of cheap kills that way.

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    Re: Dat Dark Bead...

    Post by Animaaal on Fri May 10, 2013 1:18 am

    Does magic get crit damage? <--not talking about leo's ring.

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