Manus Catalyst, Diminishing Returns past 50 strength.

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    Manus Catalyst, Diminishing Returns past 50 strength.

    Post by Rynn on Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:03 am

    I wanted to test the diminishing returns on the Manus Catalyst, so I've been testing my damage each time I increase my strength for a few days.

    The spell used is Dark Orb. I'm testing it on the second tree in Darkroot Garden. with Bellowing Dragon-crest and Dusk Crown Ring equiped.

    50=748
    51=748
    52=749
    53=749
    54=749
    54=749
    55=749
    56=750
    57=751
    58=750
    59=751
    60=752
    61=752
    62=752
    63=752
    64=753
    65=753
    66=753
    67=753
    68=754
    69=755
    70=756
    71=756
    72=756
    73=756
    74=757
    75=757
    76=757
    77=758
    78=758
    79=758
    80=759
    81=760
    82=759
    83=760
    84=760
    85=761
    86=761
    87=761
    88=762
    89=761
    90=762
    91=763
    92=763
    93=763
    94=764
    95-764
    96=766
    97=767
    98=768
    99=770

    22 total damage increase over 49 points; the equivalent of 11 magic adjust.
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    Re: Manus Catalyst, Diminishing Returns past 50 strength.

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:42 pm

    Very nice info. It's strange though, because you were experiencing a larger increase through GMB. Also before 50 Str the increase in damage isn't that great. I found that from 26 Str to 27 Str the increase in Dark Orb damage to a Burg Hollow was a mere 5 damage.


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    Re: Manus Catalyst, Diminishing Returns past 50 strength.

    Post by Rynn on Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:14 pm

    WyrmHero wrote:Very nice info. It's strange though, because you were experiencing a larger increase through GMB. Also before 50 Str the increase in damage isn't that great. I found that from 26 Str to 27 Str the increase in Dark Orb damage to a Burg Hollow was a mere 5 damage.
    5 per one point, or 1 per 3 points? Diminishing returns set in pretty hard here.
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    Re: Manus Catalyst, Diminishing Returns past 50 strength.

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:35 pm

    5 per one Str point.


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    Re: Manus Catalyst, Diminishing Returns past 50 strength.

    Post by Skentuey on Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:46 am

    Hi Rynn, i have a question, does this mean that the scaling is decent before and up to 50 (like 40-50)? Just asking since i hear most stats diminish after 40 usually (new to dark souls)happy
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    Re: Manus Catalyst, Diminishing Returns past 50 strength.

    Post by Glutebrah on Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:54 am

    id be interested to see the damage difference through Havels shield / GMB at 50 str and 99 str, even though its only 22 damage, it might make the spell alot more physical,


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    Re: Manus Catalyst, Diminishing Returns past 50 strength.

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:08 pm

    WyrmHero wrote:Very nice info. It's strange though, because you were experiencing a larger increase through GMB. Also before 50 Str the increase in damage isn't that great. I found that from 26 Str to 27 Str the increase in Dark Orb damage to a Burg Hollow was a mere 5 damage.
    I suspect that the physical/magic split for abyss magic depends on how much scaling you're getting from int/fai vs. how much scaling you're getting from str/dex.

    Also, here's some more abyss magic data: http://forums.demonssouls.info/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=16211

    @Skentuey: Different things hit diminishing returns at different points. Most notably, catalysts' scaling rates vary a lot. For regular weapons, Divine/Occult/Enchanted/Magic hit diminishing returns at 50, while everything else (including unique weapons) hits them at 40. Just check out mugenmonkey and see how much damage/magic adjust things have with various stats, it's the easiest way to check numbers like that out.


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