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    Spears anyone?

    Post by Aznul on Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:20 pm

    Just noticing that for weapon recommendations, nobody seems to have mentioned spears so far. I have been playing entirely offline, but I have found spears to be one of my favorite types of weapon. Why does it seem that they are so rarely used?


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    Re: Spears anyone?

    Post by RevolverSnake on Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:25 pm

    I *** loved the lightning spear during my first playthrough but now I think it is kinda cheap to hide behind a big *** shield and poke the enemies to death.


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    Post by lalliman on Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:26 pm

    No idea why. I don't use them myself, but that's just cuz i'm adicted to the black knight sword :o
    I must say, one anoying aspect about spears is their tiny hitbox. Simply walking to the side can dodge it.
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    Post by Juutas on Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:37 pm

    Because spears are cheap both in PvE and PvP...sure if you want to remove the challenge of the game go for it, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.


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    Post by Nybbles on Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:52 pm

    if it works, is it cheap or just effective?

    i don't use spears very often because i prefer the estoc to do my poking when a good poking is called for.

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    Re: Spears anyone?

    Post by Marino. on Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:26 pm

    cheap = effective

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    Post by Jester's Tears on Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:32 pm

    They're Just Cheap. You can poke at enemies with a Greatshield covering you so they have No way of Dealing any ''Damage'' (Pyromancy works but not 100%) and if they use a Stamina recovery Item (Grass) or Miracle they can stay there the Entire Fight. (AND I DIDEN'T TALK ABOUT THE SILVER KNIGHT SPEAR.)

    (Sorta Off-Topic) Rapiers can do the same thing but They got MUCH. Lower range and You don't use Rapiers with Greatshields.


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    Post by Marino. on Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:36 pm

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    Post by Jester's Tears on Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:19 pm

    Marino. wrote:Shotel

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    Re: Spears anyone?

    Post by Glutebrah on Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:32 pm

    Marino. wrote:Shotel



    trying getting close to some one with a spear with that short range weapon you have. I would just Poke you one and flip back before you even got in range to attempt to swing.


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    Re: Spears anyone?

    Post by callipygias on Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:38 pm

    Spears are pretty cool, though I never liked the animation of the shield poke. Same with the Rapier class weaps. It just looks stupid, I think; there's no force behind it at all. In my opinion spears are meant to be 2-handed only.

    Not sure why some people consider them cheap. More than likely they have trouble against them in PvP?


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    Post by Glutebrah on Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:49 pm

    callipygias wrote:Spears are pretty cool, though I never liked the animation of the shield poke. Same with the Rapier class weaps. It just looks stupid, I think; there's no force behind it at all. In my opinion spears are meant to be 2-handed only.

    Not sure why some people consider them cheap. More than likely they have trouble against them in PvP?



    if a spear is played correctly they are 100% impossible to beat in PvP except agianst another spear. let me explain.

    you are using the weapon with the LONGEST reach in the game, Spears also attack very fast with very little recoil.

    Step 1. ONLY attack at max range (you can not be parried at max range, and they can't hit you either)
    Step 2. Never press R1 more then once (if you press it more then once it allows some one to close the distance gap)
    Step 3: ALWAYS roll away after you attack once. (this ensures you are max distance the whole fight)

    follow those 3 steps and you will never get hit by any weapon, because one one will get close enough to you.


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    Post by callipygias on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:10 pm

    Huh. I've never felt spears were all that special, whether I was using one or fighting one. In one of TKing's vids he fought a really good spear user with his Tarkus and beat him.

    I remember the first day I used a spear in PvP, I was doing really well, but then one guy quick-swapped to his Eagle Shield and just sat behind it till I got so frustrated I went at him hard... and lost.


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    Post by ChizFreak on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:18 pm

    Glutebrah wrote:
    callipygias wrote:Spears are pretty cool, though I never liked the animation of the shield poke. Same with the Rapier class weaps. It just looks stupid, I think; there's no force behind it at all. In my opinion spears are meant to be 2-handed only.

    Not sure why some people consider them cheap. More than likely they have trouble against them in PvP?





    if a spear is played correctly they are 100% impossible to beat in PvP except agianst another spear. let me explain.

    you are using the weapon with the LONGEST reach in the game, Spears also attack very fast with very little recoil.

    Step 1. ONLY attack at max range (you can not be parried at max range, and they can't hit you either)
    Step 2. Never press R1 more then once (if you press it more then once it allows some one to close the distance gap)
    Step 3: ALWAYS roll away after you attack once. (this ensures you are max distance the whole fight)

    follow those 3 steps and you will never get hit by any weapon, because one one will get close enough to you.

    That's kind of dumb. Almost anything when played perfect can be
    impossible to beat. We are humans, we make mistakes. And I could dodge
    you all the time with that spear. Same as you could dodge anything I say
    to counter turtles with spears because you're supposedly playing
    perfectly, covering the holes of using a spear.


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    Re: Spears anyone?

    Post by Marino. on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:27 pm

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    Post by BrotherBob on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:32 pm

    Dark Magic can wreck people who turtle, unless they're using a Stone Greatshield or Havel's Greatshield. Anything else, and, if they get hit with a full set of Pursuers and a spam of Dark Bead, their guard will break quickly, and they'll die. Also, I'm not saying this because I have experience as a Dark Magic user. I'm saying this because I'm trying everything I can think of on my build to find the most effective ways to counter Dark Magic.


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    Post by AzureCrow on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:46 pm

    Don't know about the above but I myself have found spears difficult to use properly in pvp, they can often have poor tracking and it seems if your opponent is experienced enough they can just sidestep every thrust, also without a buff they do little damage and in pvp when you often don't have the time to whittle your opponent down before they bs, parry, or straight out break your guard.

    They can be very effective however become outclassed by an opponent who knows their flaws. And then if there's lag...


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    Post by BrotherBob on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:51 pm

    ^I believe that if you follow Glutebrah's suggestions, you'll probably have some pretty awesome success.

    Glutebrah wrote:if a spear is played correctly they are 100% impossible to beat in PvP except agianst another spear. let me explain.

    you are using the weapon with the LONGEST reach in the game, Spears also attack very fast with very little recoil.

    Step 1. ONLY attack at max range (you can not be parried at max range, and they can't hit you either)
    Step 2. Never press R1 more then once (if you press it more then once it allows some one to close the distance gap)
    Step 3: ALWAYS roll away after you attack once. (this ensures you are max distance the whole fight)

    follow those 3 steps and you will never get hit by any weapon, because one one will get close enough to you.

    Then again, without the challenge, what is the point of Dark Souls?


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    Post by PwnasauresRex on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:53 pm

    big grin I don't see how using a spear is considered cheap. I have been using the silver knight spear a lot recently and I still get beat. However… turtling behind a greatshield isn't very fun to deal with. Two-handing spears with 0 poise is the way to go in my opinion. big grin


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    PwnasauresRex wrote: big grin I don't see how using a spear is considered cheap. I have been using the silver knight spear a lot recently and I still get beat. However… turtling behind a greatshield isn't very fun to deal with. Two-handing spears with 0 poise is the way to go in my opinion. big grin

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    Post by Ghadis_God on Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:06 am

    There's no reason you should be beaten using a spear in PvP. They mess with every playstyle and are nearly impossible to punish. Good spear users are nigh-impossible to beat. And it doesn't take much practice to get good with a spear. I don't feel like I've earned the victory when I win with a spear, and for good reason.


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    Post by RedderAI on Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:46 am

    If theY whip out their spear I'll just whip out my bow and shoot some arrows their way.

    If you can't beat them, out-range them.
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    Post by Glutebrah on Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:45 am

    RedderAI wrote:If theY whip out their spear I'll just whip out my bow and shoot some arrows their way.

    If you can't beat them, out-range them.

    Bows are so easy to Dodge by just side rolling


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    Post by BIG TIME MASTER on Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:24 am

    Spears aren't cheap, they are just easier to master using because they have a simple moveset and obvious advantages.

    Turtlers might have a great defense, but they have a weak offense. If you are solely melee and you cant get past it, just sit back and make them come to you. Magic, bleed, toxin, all beat turtlers. For every strength in DKS there is something to counter it.



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    If you change this idea of "spears are impossible to beat" into "spears have a strong defense", then when you do beat them you will feel good about it.


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    Post by PlasticandRage on Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:34 am

    I agree. Spears are like anything else. They can be powerful in the right hands, but have weaknesses that can be exploited by someone who knows what they're doing. All the spell schools have anti-turtle abilities, and, as tBTM stated above, status ailments work well. They can be parried just as easily as anything else if you're any good at parrying. etc etc. I happen to like using spears for some specific build types.


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