The difference between the spears?

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    The difference between the spears?

    Post by Reaperfan on Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:47 pm

    Now I've played Dark Souls for a while, but I gotta admit I've not used spears much. I figured I'd rectify this by going with a toon that only uses spears, but here's the catch: I don't want to use any of the "special" spears (MLBH, DSS, Demon Spear, etc). I know what they all do, and have dabbled in them all a bit with various cosplay builds and experiments, so they aren't really what I'm interested in. I'm looking for one of the basic spear weapons to make a character around as a main weapon.

    So since I'm feeling rather lazy and don't feel like testing it out myself, I thought I'd ask; what distinguishes the various "normal" spears (Spear, Winged Spear, Pike, and Partizan) from one another, and what are the pros and cons of each? Thanks in advance happy


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by Uparkaam on Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:50 pm

    Rule number one: Do not use the pike's running attack near a cliff.


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by Buggy Virus on Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:54 pm

    Partizan, better than the normal spear, not weird like the pike.


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by cloudyeki on Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:55 pm

    I like the pike, but you have to be careful with that running attack. I say partizan if you don't wanna run off cliffs everyday >_>


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by Uparkaam on Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:59 pm

    And the pike is also really heavy compared to the others. But it's still my favourite. I love that hilarious running attack.


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:21 pm

    Spear - its only advantage is that it's the first lightning weapon you find. Other than that, don't bother with this one!

    Winged Spear - Good reach, good moveset. The winged spear and partizan are similar in reach and damage, their difference is in the R2 attack. The winged spear specializes in poking attacks, and its R2s are thrusts.

    Partizan - Similar to the Winged Spear in every way, only its R2s are sweeping attacks instead of thrusts. I've tried and tried, but I just can't decide which of the two I prefer! So I end up carrying both.

    Pike - longest reach of the regular spears, but it's got higher stats requirements and it is quite heavy. Doesn't have the greatest moveset; its main asset is its length. For its weight and Str requirements, though, I don't usually bother with this one.


    In my experience with regular spears, it pretty much boils down to Winged Spear vs Partizan, which boils down to: do you want a purely thrusting weapon, or do you want some sweeping attacks too? If you've got the stats for it, you can try the Pike too, but you'll have to be careful which of its attacks you use...


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by isthefridge on Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:49 pm

    I agree with Blaine.

    Two of the first weapons i go for are the winged spear and the partisan. I like the partisan for PVP for the sweep. I like the winged spear when i combo it LH witha sword in my RH. For PVe they are great for mobs. SKS is decent ive fought against it a few times.


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by BLA1NE on Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:54 pm

    Silver Knight Spear is a beast! Huge reach, decent damage. Can really hold its own in PvP... thanks in part to lag, but still! A PvP build I love uses the Painting Guardian Sword and SKS as backup. If I mess up with the PGS and am almost beat, I switch to the SKS, and I can usually win the fight with it. So if I were to start out with the spear, they wouldn't stand a chance. I find spear-play gets pretty repetitive and boring, though...


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by djgq42 on Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:07 pm

    there was a post a few months ago with a chart showing the reach of the different spears. i haven't been able to find it, anyone remember what it's called? thanks.
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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by Buggy Virus on Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:33 pm

    I forgot the silver knight spear, it's what I use for PvP on my 40/40 build.

    Great reach and great move set.


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by DamageCK on Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:37 pm

    Varying degrees of annoyance. Haha.

    I'd go Silver Knight Spear.


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:55 pm

    I like the winged spear the most. I personally just dont like the SKS,DSS,or Demons spear. I will sometimes use the SKS or DS if another player uses it, just cause the range. Other then range, i find the normal +15 spears to be more fun to use. I honestly wish the pike weighed a bit less, cause i would always use that agains the SKS/DSS users.
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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by isthefridge on Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:08 pm

    I dont like the sks strg att, not good in tight quarters or close to walls


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by RANT on Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:12 pm

    sks is a beast since it hits hard and its so freaking long, i just recently started playing around witht hem on my warrior build and i like partizan the best.


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:26 pm

    If you don't consider the SKS "special," that's the one I like.

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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:29 pm

    That partazin R2 gets you parried a lot though. I had trouble choosing between partazin and winged, but i found winged worked better for me. I do still use partazin, and the R2 can score you some nice dead angle dmg. Its just REALLY easy to parry. I get a little too tempted to use it also. Best spear move is the 2h rolling R1, imo. Can dead angle, and is fast as hell.
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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:30 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:If you don't consider the SKS "special," that's the one I like.

    By "special" we mean spears that arent upgraded using tinite ores. Not because they are more powerful.
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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:33 pm

    I just asked because it's upgrade with Twinklies. Didn't know if Reaper only wanted spears that upgrade to +15.

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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by Reaperfan on Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:58 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:I just asked because it's upgrade with Twinklies. Didn't know if Reaper only wanted spears that upgrade to +15.

    Basically this. As I said in the first post, I've dabbled in the spears like the Silver Knight and Dragonslayer with cosplay builds, so I more or less understand those. Except for the DSS though, they've all been supplemental to the build as opposed to the main focus. I'm really wanting to know about the basic spears since I plan on using those as the main focus for the build as opposed to say, an Int caster who mostly uses spells but has the MLBH for when enemies try to get close, or a Silver Knight cosplay who equally uses both the Sword and Spear. I guess another way to say it is that I want to spear to be the main idea of the build, not just a part of it. If that makes any sense :|


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by lextune on Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:02 pm

    I had a build dedicated to the Partizan ....

    ....the R2 dead-angles beautifully. Great for PvP.

    Lock on and poke poke poke, unlock and make a huge horizontal sweep.


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by lextune on Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:04 pm

    FruitPunchNinja wrote:That partazin R2 gets you parried a lot though.

    You should NEVER be locked on when using it....cancels out at least 75% of those parries in my opinion.


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:07 pm

    Being unlocked helps, and thats how i attack while using its R2. Still, a good player can parry you. Its not impossible to parry someone who isn't locked onto you. Its also rather slow, and can be punished by roll bs. That applys to a lot of weapons though. I am not saying the partazin is bad, i like it a lot. That R2 is a strength and weakness though.
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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by RANT on Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:28 pm

    even if youre unlocked and your opponent is right next to you, he will parry you most of the time.


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    Re: The difference between the spears?

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:35 pm

    yea the swing is so wide and it just seems to have a huge parry window compared to other weapons. I still love it though, just prefer winged myself.

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