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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by RANT on Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:12 pm

    La0bouchere wrote:Hating on MoM/DWGR/Giants armor for not being original makes as much sense as hating on people that Use the Claymore over Bastard Sword or BSS over broadsword. So yeah, anyone that uses a best-in-class weapon is a cheap, unoriginal noob.

    Personally, I dislike people that use **** armor in place of Giants/MoM mask because they die so easy. I like to play against players that are trying their hardest to win, not people that want to look cool and gimp themselves doing so.

    In the end, its just the same ol "its good so it should be banned" mindset that's so common in the souls communities.

    while the armor might give you a little edge in the end skill will prevail over weapons or armor. i know this has been said before but yeah. and i dont know about you but i would rather see variety than hae to fight the same build over and over again, it seems boring and people would bet bored right away and the game would die faster.


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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by Tolvo on Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:15 pm

    I don't like to live in a world with just one color, I don't care if my favorite color is green, gray, magenta, whatever. I don't want everything to be just one color. That's essentially why I dislike the number of users. If some people like to min/max, that's fine. If I fight min/maxers, that's fine. If there is one set that is the superior choice, meaning there are wrong choices to make, that I have an issue with. I hate upgrades, I prefer sidegrades.
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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by Carphil on Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:15 pm

    I hate paradigms, but I have to say: Its a paradigm.

    "Oh he defeated me because he is wearing a better armor and a sort of mask, so, in my logic, to defeat him and anyone else, I have to wear the same gear!"

    Don't you think?


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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by User on Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:18 pm

    I almost killed a havel poison bowman and lightning katana Darkwraith with a Broadsword... 74 to 200 damage a hit, almost killed him. Sadly, we were fighting on a Sen;s bridge, and the guy had slashed me and I accidentally fell.

    A raw broadsword that was not fully upgraded vs a katana that is made of lightning... and wearing chain armour that has little to no lightning resistance.
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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by La0bouchere on Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:50 am

    FruitPunchNinja wrote:
    I dont think its that personal for most of us. It has nothing to do with the person using the armor for me, its just the fact that its unbalanced. The reason the arguments always sound so weird is because its multiple things in combination that are unbalanced. If you look at just one of the items we are discussing then you cant really argue its THAT op, but its when you combine them that they become the top tier(by far). Those things are DWGR(the most unbalanced item in the game imo)Pinwheel Masks, and heavy armor. I dont mind people picking the best stuff, but there should be more variety of what "the best" is. Its boring as all hell when everyone has the same build(pretty much), and is the reason i think a lot of use are loosing interest in pvp.

    Nothing is actually unbalanced about having one good item combination that s better than all other combinations. All this does is limit variety.

    "everyone using the same build (pretty much)". Playstyles vary depending on weapons (Giants armor, DWGR, MoMs do almost nothing to affect how someone plays). There's a dozen competitive builds in DkS each with a dozen variations.


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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by User on Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:53 am

    La0bouchere wrote:
    "everyone using the same build (pretty much)". Playstyles vary depending on weapons (Giants armor, DWGR, MoMs do almost nothing to affect how someone plays). There's a dozen competitive builds in DkS each with a dozen variations.


    Hm, I got to disagree with this; The mentality of a player can change depending on what they have, including armour and such. That, and armour, rings, masks, and other things adds a form of ability and also changes the ability the player has in playing the game, whether it is small or big or in between.
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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:01 am

    La0bouchere wrote:
    FruitPunchNinja wrote:
    I dont think its that personal for most of us. It has nothing to do with the person using the armor for me, its just the fact that its unbalanced. The reason the arguments always sound so weird is because its multiple things in combination that are unbalanced. If you look at just one of the items we are discussing then you cant really argue its THAT op, but its when you combine them that they become the top tier(by far). Those things are DWGR(the most unbalanced item in the game imo)Pinwheel Masks, and heavy armor. I dont mind people picking the best stuff, but there should be more variety of what "the best" is. Its boring as all hell when everyone has the same build(pretty much), and is the reason i think a lot of use are loosing interest in pvp.

    Nothing is actually unbalanced about having one good item combination that s better than all other combinations. All this does is limit variety.

    "everyone using the same build (pretty much)". Playstyles vary depending on weapons (Giants armor, DWGR, MoMs do almost nothing to affect how someone plays). There's a dozen competitive builds in DkS each with a dozen variations.


    This is a roleplaying game, having no variety is a bad thing. Also, a lot of people hate the dwgr because it just looks stupid seeing characters in full heavy armor sets ninja flipping around. If all these mom mask+heavy poise armor players had to fat roll, it would be more balanced. I love this game, but dwgr was just bad game design. Its cool, but throws the whole pvp balance off tilt. I honestly would not be surprised if it did end up getting nerfed in the dlc or new edition of the game.
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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by roanispe on Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:05 am

    So long as you are respectful:

    Don't sling mud at someone else, directly or indirectly. Feel free to have gripes at the Masks themselves, but don't disparage someone's viewpoint; it takes a lot of time, and effort to come up with one! However, you should challenge incorrect assumptions in a polite manner, and try to state yours factually to show the rational behind it. This way viewpoints, your own included, can go further.


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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:37 am

    http://tinyurl.com/86qvyoy without dwgr

    http://tinyurl.com/87n3upy with dwgr.

    Not a huge difference there. The DWGR all by itself is definitely better than the other equipment burden modification items are, but thats what 1 more hit, 2 if you're lucky. Its the stack thats broken. Like fruit said. The builds are just proof of concept.


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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:02 am

    Okay, I run this http://tinyurl.com/7axokpb - I run that armor setup because it looks freakin awesome and anyway... I can toggle out of stunlocks and parry people, to be fair when my BSS r2 hits for about 700/800 I think I am fine with having a lack of poise. It turns you into a better player, although I have to admit when I see that DMB Falchion +3 I equip my wolf ring as a safety measure xD


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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by Reaperfan on Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:07 am



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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by Rynn on Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:08 am

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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by Reaperfan on Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:12 am


    Thank you kind sir.


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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by Tolvo on Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:17 am

    You poor ponies, let me show you how a true build is crafted!

    http://tinyurl.com/7pb9jh9
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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by Reaperfan on Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:28 am

    Tolvo wrote:You poor ponies, let me show you how a true build is crafted!

    http://tinyurl.com/7pb9jh9

    But Tolvo, that build is original and interesting! It's obviously not the best out there and so you won't win fights with it. Here are some changes I'd recommend. Do those and you'll really be getting the best bang for your buck in terms of stats, and you should see your win rate improve.


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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by Rynn on Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:52 am

    Oh please... Reaper, that might get you the best stats... but let's be honest. You can make a better build then that, be original, and still be a *** about it.
    EDIT: Changed the link. Even while trying to build a ganking build, my mind said "NO!" and forgot the mask x_x.
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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by Tolvo on Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:56 am

    I call it!
    ACTUAL YEOMAN!
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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by Rynn on Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:00 am

    Tolvo wrote:I call it!
    ACTUAL YEOMAN!
    http://tinyurl.com/6nakh8d
    I'd improve it like this.
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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by DamageCK on Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:20 am

    Reaperfan wrote:
    Tolvo wrote:You poor ponies, let me show you how a true build is crafted!

    http://tinyurl.com/7pb9jh9

    But Tolvo, that build is original and interesting! It's obviously not the best out there and so you won't win fights with it. Here are some changes I'd recommend. Do those and you'll really be getting the best bang for your buck in terms of stats, and you should see your win rate improve.

    Hahahah. Gotta start doing this for every build suggestion.


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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:37 am

    Here's what I rock now, because why not:

    http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=4858624618274677

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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:50 am

    Pendant - I think I made your build even cooler winking http://tinyurl.com/6vcv6cv


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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:55 am

    I do like that cheeky little hat... :pharis:

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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:57 am

    Aye, on female toons it actually has a feather in the hat also! Its unfair winking I want my red feather on the male on and for the male one to be green along with there being a green leather set silly True Men in Tights cosplay to the max!



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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:58 am

    but you would be punching people with shards of glass silly and also kicking fire - how cool would that be!?


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    Re: why do people get so mad?

    Post by Reaperfan on Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:19 am

    TehInfamousAmos wrote:Aye, on female toons it actually has a feather in the hat also! Its unfair winking I want my red feather on the male on and for the male one to be green along with there being a green leather set silly True Men in Tights cosplay to the max!


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