There's more to them

I always found it interesting that Lautrec gave everything to his god, a goddess of love. I wonder if maybe he felt uncared for while in prison by her, that she ceased to watch over and protect him. Maybe he's doing sort of a revenge thing, which if Fina was another way to reference Gwynevere might make sense, as well he would take it out on other maidens.

Nothing really to support this, just a little idea I had.

I bet you guys weren't paying that close of attention to accents in game.

By fake firekeeper do you mean the darkmoon one? or Gwynevern? Because doesn't the fire go out if you kill the Darkmoon one? I've never had dark anor so.. I don't know if the princess chamber one goes out.

Yukon wrote:By fake firekeeper do you mean the darkmoon one? or Gwynevern? Because doesn't the fire go out if you kill the Darkmoon one? I've never had dark anor so.. I don't know if the princess chamber one goes out.

The Anor Londo warp fire goes out if you kill the Knightess.
The Princess's Chambers warp fire does NOT go out if you kill Gwynevere (It's not a kept fire though. You have to light it, and it starts at 5, not 10).

I'm not entirely sure if she is really acting as a fire keeper, more so that bonfire is there after O&S so that people don't throw their controllers at their screen.

Oh, okay I was confused because I was pretty sure killing the darkmoon knight caused the fire to go out but Seig mentioned it didn't so the only fire I could think of in anor that didn't go out was possibly the princess chamber one.

Thanks for clearing it up guys.

Tolvo wrote:I'm not entirely sure if she is really acting as a fire keeper, more so that bonfire is there after O&S so that people don't throw their controllers at their screen.

I think it's more likely it is there solely for warping. It would be a pain to have to run all the way back to the bonfire before O&S to warp back to Firelink, and it would be a pain to have to warp to Darkmoon Tomb/Anor Londo just to visit the BS.

@Sieg The gods (lord soul gods) were alive before the age of fire. However they were humans, or a primitve version of humans. The lord souls they found in the flame made them gods. The lord souls cannot exist without the first flame as they are part of it. What the 4 knights are is still unknown however from Ornsteins soul it could be that they were created by Gwyn for their purpose i.e. contructs of war.

Actually Nito was not some form of human, he appears to literally be a mass of bones and flesh. Which you might think, "Well those are human right?" The thing is he sort of just came to be. He isn't any one of those bodies, it's more so he is a being that existed outside of thought, then manifested in that pile of corpses.

... crap. The point stands that Nito has a lord soul and he was created by some external force, likely Velka, and would die without it. Funnily enough Seath and the 4 kings would not die, but lose a ton of power if the fire went out.

Who is to say Velka created him? He might literally be an aspect of death and nature. You can literally see his birth in the opening cut scene, and all that is in it with him is the original fire and lord soul, which he literally forms towards. Maybe it was the piece of the fire spawning him, kind of like what the flame of chaos did. Meaning, he is literally the only of his kind that could ever, and will ever exist.

As you can imagine searching Acidics thread is not fun, especially without Whiskey so this is all I found for now.

Acidic_Cook wrote:28. Time distortion, and the 'Times Before'
They both have similar colours as that of Humanity, and the Gravelords
(which Nito was created from the Firekeeper, velka, as it can be the
reason why he looks so familiar to the Dark Armors of Kaathe... heh)

I think it might be a bit more that Nito and Velka would have similar elements in their origin. She is a being of the fire possibly, and dark arts. He is a being born in the darkness, from the light of a fire. I'd say it's more they're in a way related, than she is his creator. Why would she create Nito how he is? That would mean technically he is her child as well, and could be a contender for the god of war.

Oh god no. Personally I think she wasn't a practitioner of the dark arts until the first extinguishing. Im sure Acidic has an explanation somewhere in his thread. I also think you have some whiskey so Ill leave the searching up to you. I'm more concerned where all the dead bodies he is made of came from. I always interpreted first of the dead as literal first dead guy who went F u death I got this.

The thing about Nito is that he isn't undead. He doesn't carry the dark sign it appears, he is not subject to hollowment. He never was alive, he just always was dead. As such, he is the first of the dead. He is probably the last, because so little is known of him, and the skeletons he has could just be avatars of his, though they could be dead like him as well. It doesn't seem like he is a will of those bodies either, but something different as I mentioned. He's completely inhuman.

And remember, at this time humans/etc were under the rule of dragons, so near to the fire was just a bunch of bodies, possibly a primal cemetery of sorts.

Tolvo wrote:. Why would she create Nito how he is? That would mean technically he is her child as well, and could be a contender for the god of war.

I get that your joking, but it is technically GWYN'S firstborn, not Velka's. So even if Nito WAS Velka's child, he couldn't be the god of war...

Unless Gwyn was still the father, implying the most horrifying birth scene ever...

But wasnt the kiln hidden? I suppose that makes sense. They hid the bodies of the dead in a secret place and where the fallen were buried the flame of rebellion was born.
Remembr the skeles in the rogue pinwheels lab? They had markings all over them. I think they;re more animated bodies controlled by the necromancers. I dont think they're undead. The larger skeles dont have runes if I remember but they are controlled by the pinwheels (controlled, not animated which is why they dont respawn constantly, EXCEPT the ones in Nitos tomb DO) who are stronger than the necros. They can construct the bodies into their forms then control them. Now where was I going with this. Oh right .. I agree that Nito is the last of his kind.

Well you see, it is like how fish do it. Velka released a clutch of dead bodies, and Gwyn went over and, fertilized them.

I hope you have the most disgusting picture in your mind right now, I know I do.

Shkar wrote:

Tolvo wrote:. Why would she create Nito how he is? That would mean technically he is her child as well, and could be a contender for the god of war.

I get that your joking, but it is technically GWYN'S firstborn, not Velka's. So even if Nito WAS Velka's child, he couldn't be the god of war...

Unless Gwyn was still the father, implying the most horrifying birth scene ever...

I pictured it more like Seahorses.

Alright, new thread.

"How do the gods bone?"

The thread shall have a large image of Nito wearing sunglasses giving thumbs up.

DoughGuy wrote:But wasnt the kiln hidden? I suppose that makes sense. They hid the bodies of the dead in a secret place and where the fallen were buried the flame of rebellion was born.
Remembr the skeles in the rogue pinwheels lab? They had markings all over them. I think they;re more animated bodies controlled by the necromancers. I dont think they're undead. The larger skeles dont have runes if I remember but they are controlled by the pinwheels (controlled, not animated which is why they dont respawn constantly, EXCEPT the ones in Nitos tomb DO) who are stronger than the necros. They can construct the bodies into their forms then control them. Now where was I going with this. Oh right .. I agree that Nito is the last of his kind.

Actually, this is kind of interesting.

Necromancers control small skeletons.
Pinwheels control large skeletons.

Can we consider Nito a "giant", special skeleton? If so, who reanimated/controls him?

My vote is Andre. He's a boss like that.

Tolvo wrote:Alright, new thread.

"How do the gods bone?"

The thread shall have a large image of Nito wearing sunglasses giving thumbs up.

Only in HD. They demand perfection.

More than likely the Lord Soul does.

Tolvo wrote:Alright, new thread.

"How do the gods bone?"

The thread shall have a large image of Nito wearing sunglasses giving thumbs up.

You can tell thats going in the resource thread.

@Shkar The lord soul/Velka animates him. He's above your basic skeleton like Tolvo said. he's one of a kind.

Tolvo wrote:More than likely the Lord Soul does.

Great, now I will always picture Nito as the guy from Men In Black who was actually a robot puppet controlled by a little alien inside.

Nito: First of the puppets. The second was his only friend, a little green frog.

"I don't get it, Nito left a clue about what the pendant means next to his pet cat. It says, "The Secret to the Pendant can be found on Orion's Belt. What the hell does this mean?"

We should stop this before I get into full swing movie references.

Tolvo wrote:"I don't get it, Nito left a clue about what the pendant means next to his pet cat. It says, "The Secret to the Pendant can be found on Orion's Belt. What the hell does this mean?"

We should stop this before I get into full swing movie references.

Stop? I have not yet BEGUN to start dropping movie references!

That being said, this topic did make me think of a serious question. If the Lord Soul IS what controls Nito, is it sentient? If so, are it and Nito separate beings, or is Nito just the "body" of the lord soul?

Also, how come the other lord souls didn't just form their own bodies? And why did Nito help the humans fight the dragons?

Why am I thinking of so many questions?!?!