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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Seignar on Sat May 11, 2013 6:27 pm

    That's like saying the Falchion is better than the PGS.
    *Is a firm believer that the PGS is the superior Curved Sword.*
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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by User1 on Sat May 11, 2013 6:28 pm

    Dibs can put up some hellish good arguments.
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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 6:30 pm

    Seignar wrote:
    That's like saying the Falchion is better than the PGS.
    *Is a firm believer that the PGS is the superior Curved Sword.*
    You win this round...
    At least, for now I do. Bow


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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Animaaal on Sat May 11, 2013 6:30 pm

    Dibsville wrote:
    Animaaal wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:...I have stunlocked lots of people who clearly have 40+ poise with the Dagger...

    If anyone is getting stunlocked from a dagger with 40 poise, then they need to play offline for a while and practice a little...just sayin man Shrug
    It's extremely easy to hit with the Dagger.
    You'd be surprised how many people who were clearly good players got stunlocked.

    Idk man, I'm not disagreeing with you about a dagger's versatility. But I quit getting stunlocked from daggers a long time ago, and that was with the 2 pvp toons I had that had 7 poise.

    I still think if someone is getting stunlocked with a poise of 18 or greater....they have some serious "basics" work to do.


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    16 or greater I believe (3 hits).
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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 6:32 pm

    Animaaal wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:
    Animaaal wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:...I have stunlocked lots of people who clearly have 40+ poise with the Dagger...

    If anyone is getting stunlocked from a dagger with 40 poise, then they need to play offline for a while and practice a little...just sayin man Shrug
    It's extremely easy to hit with the Dagger.
    You'd be surprised how many people who were clearly good players got stunlocked.

    Idk man, I'm not disagreeing with you about a dagger's versatility. But I quit getting stunlocked from daggers a long time ago, and that was with the 2 pvp toons I had that had 7 poise.

    I still think if someone is getting stunlocked with a poise of 18 or greater....they have some serious "basics" work to do.

    I don't think you understand how aggressively I play.
    To give an example; 80% of my deaths are because I ran out of stamina.
    When I say I stunned people with high poise, I mean I literally went hollow on them.


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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Animaaal on Sat May 11, 2013 6:33 pm

    Dibsville wrote:
    Animaaal wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:
    Animaaal wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:...I have stunlocked lots of people who clearly have 40+ poise with the Dagger...

    If anyone is getting stunlocked from a dagger with 40 poise, then they need to play offline for a while and practice a little...just sayin man Shrug
    It's extremely easy to hit with the Dagger.
    You'd be surprised how many people who were clearly good players got stunlocked.

    Idk man, I'm not disagreeing with you about a dagger's versatility. But I quit getting stunlocked from daggers a long time ago, and that was with the 2 pvp toons I had that had 7 poise.

    I still think if someone is getting stunlocked with a poise of 18 or greater....they have some serious "basics" work to do.

    I don't think you understand how aggressively I play.
    To give an example; 80% of my deaths are because I ran out of stamina.
    When I say I stunned people with high poise, I mean I literally went hollow on them.

    Maybe not, but I'd definitely parry you based on the spam theory, which is kinda the only way to makeyour arguement.
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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 6:34 pm

    If you can parry me, than props to you. My playstyle is to literally bait people into parrying.
    I also play unlocked, so you're going to get a partial 80% of the time.


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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Animaaal on Sat May 11, 2013 6:37 pm

    Thats true.

    But breaking that much poise with a dagger requires spamming.

    The poise gauge regens at a set amount like stamina. There's really no way to "break some poise"...."back off"..."break some poise again".....but I'm sure you knew that.

    I'm just saying someone with 40 poise getting stunlocked from a dagger is...well...uh...not very good yet....ya know?
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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 6:38 pm

    You know, the R1 is not the only thing a Dagger has. Don't forget the Dagger's R2 is a thrust, so it literally cuts through poise.


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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Animaaal on Sat May 11, 2013 6:43 pm

    Dibsville wrote:You know, the R1 is not the only thing a Dagger has. Don't forget the Dagger's R2 is a thrust, so it literally cuts through poise.

    I'm pretty sure the 1 hand is 5 poise damage, and the 2 hand is 7, hence requiring the 6 and 8 breakpoints.

    If you just figured out that the dagger or the DST thrust attacks do more than that, then :Baal02: <--not sarcasm.

    Seriously, I've never heard that theory...I'm curous now....
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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 6:45 pm

    Even if it is only 5 and 7 poise, you're also forgetting that a Dagger can hit like 5 times every 2 seconds. On top of that, I do not want to poise break people, as they waste their stamina if I don't.


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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Animaaal on Sat May 11, 2013 6:48 pm

    Hmmmm...I stand firm.

    Besides, if your "poise daggering" you should prolly be backstabbing, just my opinion though.
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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 6:50 pm

    Just to clarify something:
    I was using Charcoal Resin throughout all of this
    I was backstabbing. (not fishing, I found that I did more damage if I stayed away from backstabbing and just continued with normal attacks and parries)





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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Animaaal on Sat May 11, 2013 6:52 pm

    Well thanks, not sure about that but thanks anyway.

    Also, you got my gears turning for sure.

    And just for the record, I also think daggers are fun as %$#@.
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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 6:54 pm

    I didn't mean that in a bad way, but I didn't want to say most and 90% seems like quite a bit. Meant it as a compliment. Shrug

    I love using under-used weapons, which is why I prefer the Halberd and Rapier so much. Halberds are sort of rare and very few people actually expect to be killed by a Rapier when they don't get backstabbed or parried.


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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Animaaal on Sat May 11, 2013 7:11 pm

    Oh no way, no worries bro. I took it as a compliment. Bow
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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Glutebrah on Sat May 11, 2013 7:17 pm

    all yall talking bout getting super close to me with a buffed Dagger to spam R1?

    ya'll trippin if you think u gonna get close while i Poke/flip away with my Dragon slayer spear


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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Animaaal on Sat May 11, 2013 7:18 pm

    Glutebrah wrote:all yall talking bout getting super close to me with a buffed Dagger to spam R1?

    ya'll trippin if you think u gonna get close while i Poke/flip away with my Dragon slayer spear

    I'm not sayin a word.... :silent:
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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Glutebrah on Sat May 11, 2013 7:21 pm

    Animaaal wrote:
    Glutebrah wrote:all yall talking bout getting super close to me with a buffed Dagger to spam R1?

    ya'll trippin if you think u gonna get close while i Poke/flip away with my Dragon slayer spear

    I'm not sayin a word.... :silent:



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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Animaaal on Sat May 11, 2013 7:23 pm

    Glutebrah wrote:
    Animaaal wrote:
    Glutebrah wrote:all yall talking bout getting super close to me with a buffed Dagger to spam R1?

    ya'll trippin if you think u gonna get close while i Poke/flip away with my Dragon slayer spear

    I'm not sayin a word.... :silent:

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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by billy_bayonet on Sat May 11, 2013 7:57 pm

    I got to page 4 before getting annoyed, Dagger user = Parry, Falchion user=Parry

    sure it matters who has the bigger stick but it matters a hell of a lot more who's swinging it Player skill is a huge factor in this game, Anyone can kill with the Spampole or Noobhander, Takes skill to play and win with The under-rated weapons


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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 8:05 pm

    billy_bayonet wrote:I got to page 4 before getting annoyed, Dagger user = Parry, Falchion user=Parry

    sure it matters who has the bigger stick but it matters a hell of a lot more who's swinging it Player skill is a huge factor in this game, Anyone can kill with the Spampole or Noobhander, Takes skill to play and win with The under-rated weapons
    Are you implying that it's easy to kill people with a Dagger? Or did I misread?


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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by billy_bayonet on Sat May 11, 2013 8:07 pm

    Im saying it takes skill to get kills with underrated weapons, A dagger is an underated weapon,


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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 8:10 pm

    Ahh. But that's the beauty of it. No one expects to get get killed by a Dagger, which is the exact reason I got so many kills.


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    Re: The Almighty Dagger

    Post by billy_bayonet on Sat May 11, 2013 8:19 pm

    Your missing my point, i am saying it takes skill to win with weapons that people dont rate as good weapons


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