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    Post by Sentiel on Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:42 pm

    Hi guys. Wave
    I'm kinda new here, but I've been visiting these forums for some time. I've been playing Dark Souls since it's release and same goes for Demon's Souls, but I'm bad at being part of any community, because I'm appearently a terrible a**hole. Well What is it

    I've come to ask for your opinion on two of my builds.
    First off I would like to say that this build was made entirely by me and me alone, but even though there's bound to be thousands like this, if not identical. Even so, I really didn't copy anyone, so please don't accuse me of being a copycat, for using a generic build, or something like that. At least I'll know that there's tons of builds like this.

    I'm not sure if it's enough to post a link, or if I should write the stats down, so I'll do both, just in case.

    Dex/Pyro

    SL: 125
    Starting Class: Wanderer

    Vitality: 50
    Attunement: 14
    Endurance: 40
    Strength: 28
    Dexterity: 45
    Resistance: 12
    Intelligence: 11
    Faith: 8

    Poise: 54

    RH1: Uchigatana +15, Iaito +15, Chaos Blade +5, Great Scythe +15, Lifehunt Scythe +5, Murakumo +15, Great Lord Greatswrod +5, Zweihander +15, Gold Tracer +5, Dark Silver Tracer +5, Silver Knight Spear +5, Halberd +15, Scythe +15, Estoc +15.

    RH2: Composite Bow +15 (+Large Arrows / Poison Arrows), Shotel +15, Dark Silver Tracer, Ascended Pyromancy Flame +5

    LH1: Crest Shield +15, Grass Crest Shield +15, Balder Shield +15, Dragon Crest Shield +5, Blood Shield +15, Dark Hand.

    LH2: Ascended Pyromancy Flame +5, Composite Bow +15 (+Large Arrows / Poison Arrows), Lightning Light Crossbow +5 (+Lightning Bolts), Lightning Avelyn +5 (+Lightning Bolts), Gough's Greatbow (+Gough's Arrows).

    Spells:
    Black Flame
    Great Fireball
    Fire Tempest / Great Chaos Fireball / Power Within

    Head: Gargoyle Helm +5
    Chest: Wanderer Coat +10
    Arms: Travelling Gloves +10 (not that it matters lol)
    Legs: Eastern Leggings +5
    Ring 1: Ring of Favor and Protection
    Ring 2: Wolf Ring


    Int/Faith

    SL: 124
    Starting Class: Cleric

    Vitality: 50
    Attunement: 19
    Endurance: 20
    Strength: 16
    Dexterity: 10
    Resistance: 11
    Intelligence: 50
    Faith: 30

    Poise: 0

    RH1: Moonlight Greatsword +5, Moonlight Butterfly Horn +5, Chaos/Lightning Claymore +5 (for Great Magic Barrier and Vow of Silence users), Chaos Reinforced Club + 5, Enchanted Barbed Straight Sword + 5 (just for fun).

    RH2: Velka's Talisman, Lightning Light Crossbow +5 (+Lightning Bolts) (only if out of spells and used mostly for PvE).
    LH1: Crest Shield +15, Grass Crest Shield +15, Balder Shield +15, Dragon Crest Shield +5.

    LH2: Logan's Catalyst, Tin Crystalization Catalyst, Lightning Light Crossbow +5 (+Lightning Bolts) (only if out of spells and used mostly for PvE).
    Spells:
    Pursuers / Homing Crystal Soulmass + Tranquil Walk of Peace
    Dark Bead
    Crystal Soul Spear / Crystal Soul Spear x2 / Crystal Soul Spear + Karmic Justice
    Wrath of the Gods

    PS: I am aware that some these spells are seriously frowned upon and thus don't use them unless the situations demands (ganking for example).

    Head: Crown of Dusk +5
    Chest: Miden Robe +10
    Arms: Maiden Gloves +10
    Legs: Maiden Skirt +10
    Ring 1: Ring of Favor and Protection
    Ring 2: Bellowing Dragoncrest Ring

    PS: It has 0 Poise, because I believe a spellcaster shouldn't engage in melee until it's his/hers last resort.


    Any comments and suggestions are very welcome, even the negative ones. I just want to know what you think about them.

    Thanks. Proper Bow


    Last edited by Sentiel on Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:43 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : I didn't like title of the topic)

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    Post by Aneed on Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:16 pm

    Hi.

    Your first build is a Quality Pyro, not Dex Pyro. Dex Pyro has max 16 Str and gouged vitality (along with 45 Dex). Yours is a standard Quality Pyro build. I would suggest you swap the Black Flame for the humble Great Combustion, which does more damage. A lighter 53 poise w/wolf ring setup would be using the Catarina gauntlets (13 poise bam!) at 6.9 units.

    Your Int/Fth build is decent, though imo it would be more optimal with 44/28 Int/Fth spread. I dont consider White Dragon Breath to be all that good a spell as it takes far too much effort from your end to make it effective (unlocked casting as well as predicting where your opponent is heading, most of the casts go to waste). And Int builds do not need 30 faith because you wont be buffing any weapons, 28 is enough for WoG with Velka's Talisman. For armour, you should consider the Dingy Robes over the Maiden Robes, it is the 2nd best 0 poise chestpiece. For arms, consider the Wanderer's manchette, best 0 poise gauntlets. Maiden skirt is fine since it offers one of the best elemental defenses in the game.

    Finally wanna end by saying that no one cares whether you made build x by yourself or not, the game has been out for over a year and there have been millions of builds made. Completely unnecessary to come here and post that you aren't a copycat.

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    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:31 pm

    You should use mugen monkey lol. Overall they're pretty good, i have been keeping my builds at SL100 but it seems like everyone is going back to 125+ or even higher...
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    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:44 pm

    Yeah use this dude: http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls . Overall both builds are perfect, only I would change is 45 Int for the magician and lower Str/increase Dex to 16 for Velka's Rapier. This is because you don't have poise and I prefer using MLGS on mage tanks (I call mine the mage knight, +93 poise). Since the rapier is already a very fast weapon you won't need the poise for using as back up.


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    Post by Ghadis_God on Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:50 pm

    Your first build is excellent, and I wouldn't change Black Flame for Great Combustion- Black flame has better stunlock and poise break, as well as doing more stamina damage to shields.


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    Re: Share your opinions with me

    Post by Sentiel on Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:12 pm

    Aneed wrote:Hi.

    Your first build is a Quality Pyro, not Dex Pyro. Dex Pyro has max 16 Str and gouged vitality (along with 45 Dex). Yours is a standard Quality Pyro build. I would suggest you swap the Black Flame for the humble Great Combustion, which does more damage. A lighter 53 poise w/wolf ring setup would be using the Catarina gauntlets (13 poise bam!) at 6.9 units.
    I apologize for the wrong name of the build. I thought quality Pyro is something else, a Pyro that uses Pyro in most cases, while I mostly use my weapons.

    Great Combustion does more damage, but as I've read in a post here regarding Black Flame, it breaks guard more and does more Poise damage, to the extent of staggering anything lower than 60 Poise, which is the reason why I have it. It allows me to create, or prolong my combo attacks, like GF + R1 + BF + R1.

    I got the setup for the aesthetics mostly, but I'll admit I hate Gargoyle Helm. I just love Wanderer Coat and most armor looks stupid with it. big grin

    Aneed wrote:
    Your Int/Fth build is decent, though imo it would be more optimal with 44/28 Int/Fth spread. I dont consider White Dragon Breath to be all that good a spell as it takes far too much effort from your end to make it effective (unlocked casting as well as predicting where your opponent is heading, most of the casts go to waste). And Int builds do not need 30 faith because you wont be buffing any weapons, 28 is enough for WoG with Velka's Talisman. For armour, you should consider the Dingy Robes over the Maiden Robes, it is the 2nd best 0 poise chestpiece. For arms, consider the Wanderer's manchette, best 0 poise gauntlets. Maiden skirt is fine since it offers one of the best elemental defenses in the game.
    I thought you will say that.
    I admit, that 50 Int and 30 is a waste. Buffs are useless and WDB is absolute fail. Which I didn't know at the time of making this character, thus why I want your opinions on how to make it better.

    Aneed wrote:
    Finally wanna end by saying that no one cares whether you made build x by yourself or not, the game has been out for over a year and there have been millions of builds made. Completely unnecessary to come here and post that you aren't a copycat.

    Happy Hunting.
    I remember back when Demon's Souls was all the rage I posted my builds, like this on another forum and got accused of copying and being unoriginal, to the point of me running away. I just didn't want that to happen again.

    FruitPunchNinja wrote:You should use mugen monkey lol. Overall they're pretty good, i have been keeping my builds at SL100 but it seems like everyone is going back to 125+ or even higher...
    Names of the builds are links to mugen monkey.
    I'm using that now, but these builds are ages old and I want to see how they fare by todays standards. Pyro is ok so far, but I have problems with the other one, which I can now attend to, thanks to you all. Proper Bow

    WyrmHero wrote:Yeah use this dude: http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls . Overall both builds are perfect, only I would change is 45 Int for the magician and lower Str/increase Dex to 16 for Velka's Rapier. This is because you don't have poise and I prefer using MLGS on mage tanks (I call mine the mage knight, +93 poise). Since the rapier is already a very fast weapon you won't need the poise for using as back up.
    Hmmm...
    Is Velka's Rapier any good though? I've found very different opinions regarding it and never tried it myself.
    Well I love to have 16 Str and 14 Dex on all my characters, so they can use a wide variety of weapons, so I may as well move it the Dex to 16 for this one. At least I will be able to use Shotel, which I so adore, even though I get hate mail because of it. Shrug

    Ghadis_God wrote:Your first build is excellent, and I wouldn't change Black Flame for Great Combustion- Black flame has better stunlock and poise break, as well as doing more stamina damage to shields.
    Exactly! Joy

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    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:33 pm

    Velka's will be the most powerful rapier (I don't know if enchanted Estoc would be stronger). I say rapier because you'll mostly be casting spells, and a rapier is excellent for low poise builds and finishing off attacks.


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    Post by Sentiel on Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:40 pm

    I will give it a shot. I'm a bit worried that people will fear I want to backstab fish with that rapier, but I guess I can handle that.
    So far I like it's moveset a lot, although I'm not sure how effective it is. Well, I've mastered Murakumo, I feel I can handle any waepon now. big grin
    (I can feel my ego growing. lol! )

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    Post by Sentiel on Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:01 pm

    Now I've reworked my spellcaster build based on the tips and suggestions I've got here and on one other forum and came up with two different builds and I need to decide for one of them, because I'm too lazy to make both.

    I will post links to mugen with comments below each build.

    Int / Faith
    This is reworked version of my original build with less changes. However I started questioning myself if that 28 Faith is of any use. WoG is definitely good suprise spell, but it won't do a lot of damage and the second thing, apart from healing, for having Faith is TWoP, so that enemies can't evade my spells.
    So I made the following build...

    Pure Int
    This is just Pure Int build, with no Faith and high Dex, to maximalize utilize Velka's Rapier and to achieve maximum spell casting speed. It can also use Pyro to it's full potential.
    But i have a Quality Pyro with 45 Dex and this kinda feels like the same character for some reason...

    Now, my choice of armor aside, it's purely aesthetical, well, if you can think of something aesthetically nice, what will look good on a female character and still be usefull in combat I'm all ears, other that that, I would like to know your opinions on each of these and mainly which one to choose, because I can't make my mind and I'm too lazy to make both.

    Thank you in advance. Proper Bow

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    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:38 pm

    My opinion on your "pure" Int. 45 Dex only works well with very slow casting spells like White Dragon Breath and Dark Orb. The fast spells like Dark Bead and CSS only get about 10% faster, which is not worth the 45 Dex imo. Since you have 45 Dex, you're better off with a Ricard's or Estoc, since Velka's has horrible Dex scaling and split AR. Also you won't need Black Flame/GC since Dark Bead does a similar job. My suggestion is go 45 Int, get lots of Att for the spells and HP and you're good to go.


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    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:54 pm

    Possibly the non-dark version of the spellcaster?

    http://mmdks.com/cel


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    Post by Sentiel on Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:57 pm

    WyrmHero wrote:My opinion on your "pure" Int. 45 Dex only works well with very slow casting spells like White Dragon Breath and Dark Orb. The fast spells like Dark Bead and CSS only get about 10% faster, which is not worth the 45 Dex imo. Since you have 45 Dex, you're better off with a Ricard's or Estoc, since Velka's has horrible Dex scaling and split AR. Also you won't need Black Flame/GC since Dark Bead does a similar job. My suggestion is go 45 Int, get lots of Att for the spells and HP and you're good to go.
    Sooo...
    Let's say something like this?

    TehInfamousAmos wrote:Possibly the non-dark version of the spellcaster?

    http://mmdks.com/cel
    Ah! Good point! I totally forgot that with 45 in both Dex and Int I could do some serious weapon buffing, thanks. Although the weapons of choice would be different for me, it's still a good idea.
    I'm willing to let go of Pursuers, but Dark Bead is too good for dealing with pesky Str builds to let go off.
    Although it may be good to sacrifice 10 Vit for 10 End, what do you think about that?

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    Post by TehInfamousAmos on Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:05 pm

    truthfully for a int/faith build this would be decent:

    http://mmdks.com/cf0

    DMB on the OGS will be insane - Dead angle WoG's into DMB hits with the OGS or Dead angle WoG - BS with rapier/ swap to DB and use that. Etc;


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    Post by Sentiel on Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:08 pm

    LoL I hate you guys, so many good builds, how am I supposed to choose from all this? They all look so freakin' awesome!
    Thanks!


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