by n0rain Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:35 amI figured this thread is so off topic that I should just change it and restart the velka darkling thread another time. This thread I now dub Wild *** Theories.
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Thats a pretty good theory.
I used to think that the Darkmoon Knightess was Ciaran.... but.... yeah well.
Could you please elaborate on the pact that Gwyndolin and Velka made?
I used to think that the Darkmoon Knightess was Ciaran.... but.... yeah well.
Could you please elaborate on the pact that Gwyndolin and Velka made?
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I think the giant crow in Firelink is Velka. Her followers try to be more like her, so a crow. And the crow transports people in and out of the Asylum, which could be seen as a prison.
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Could be. I alway viewed Gwyndolin's DM's as a perversion of the order the Age of Fire brought, thus it was the son's attempt to live up to or replicate his fathers successes. Because there are none like the Four Knights anymore maybe the DM's are like Gwyndolins agents.
Perhaps Velka is tied to that somehow?
Perhaps Velka is tied to that somehow?
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if she was Velka then why would you find velkas armour and weapons in the painted world? I mean the armours are totally different they have no similarities so I dont think there is any evidence to support your theory, however i am no expert but in dark souls you can link anyone if you really want to. The only think I'd say is Velka is probably the most interesting person that we don't see in the game or the dlc apart from the gow.
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If Velka is the crow, which I can find plausible, it brings up the question why are they helping ferry undead from the asylum to Lodran?
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Pure speculation, but what if she doesnt approve of Gwyn's methods of sacrificing undeads to prolong his Age of Fire? Killing the Asylum Demon could be a rite of passage of some sort.
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Ok more specualtion based on what you just said, perhaps the reason Velka is a rougue deity is because they tried to stop Gwyn in the past, Gwyn retaliates and Velka has to chill out as a crow for a while to hide.. Then maybe they started getting some followers becuase they tried to stop Gywn aka the scray crow people. Like I said just carrying on your speculative story it doesn't have hardly any solid evidence.
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Are you saying it is impossible to fathom bequething a set of items to a member of your order? Or what I said in the op that you missed. Like I said, if the concept was scapped then the most plausible idea would be that her design would have been transfered to a similar facade, that being the knightess. The painted world also has an certain npc in it that is particularly famous for being a abomination.X-government-agent wrote:if she was Velka then why would you find velkas armour and weapons in the painted world? I mean the armours are totally different they have no similarities so I dont think there is any evidence to support your theory, however i am no expert but in dark souls you can link anyone if you really want to. The only think I'd say is Velka is probably the most interesting person that we don't see in the game or the dlc apart from the gow.
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X-government-agent wrote:if she was Velka then why would you find velkas armour and weapons in the painted world? I mean the armours are totally different they have no similarities so I dont think there is any evidence to support your theory, however i am no expert but in dark souls you can link anyone if you really want to. The only think I'd say is Velka is probably the most interesting person that we don't see in the game or the dlc apart from the gow.
This is something I’ve thought about for a long time and have had a lot of fun doing it.. If Velka is the crow I believe she is ferrying “Chosen Undead” to deliver her form of punishment to the Gods for their sins. She doesn’t care about the Age of Fire or Darkness as long as sin is being punished. If you die oh well she’ll pick up another later and I’m sure you deserved to be punished for something you did so it’s win-win for her. Also, the peculiar doll ends up in your cell after she takes you back which you could link to her because there is a hole in the roof of your cell (Crow dropped it in). I believe occult weapons are linked to her because she saw the sins of the Gods and had enough, starting some kind of revolt. I also at one point believed that Velka is the one talking during the intro. On another note the crow could just be a minion of Velka, either way everything I’m saying is pure speculation and just fun to think about.
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Deathsitexxi wrote:X-government-agent wrote:if she was Velka then why would you find velkas armour and weapons in the painted world? I mean the armours are totally different they have no similarities so I dont think there is any evidence to support your theory, however i am no expert but in dark souls you can link anyone if you really want to. The only think I'd say is Velka is probably the most interesting person that we don't see in the game or the dlc apart from the gow.
This is something I’ve thought about for a long time and have had a lot of fun doing it.. If Velka is the crow I believe she is ferrying “Chosen Undead” to deliver her form of punishment to the Gods for their sins. She doesn’t care about the Age of Fire or Darkness as long as sin is being punished. If you die oh well she’ll pick up another later and I’m sure you deserved to be punished for something you did so it’s win-win for her. Also, the peculiar doll ends up in your cell after she takes you back which you could link to her because there is a hole in the roof of your cell (Crow dropped it in). I believe occult weapons are linked to her because she saw the sins of the Gods and had enough, starting some kind of revolt. I also at one point believed that Velka is the one talking during the intro. On another note the crow could just be a minion of Velka, either way everything I’m saying is pure speculation and just fun to think about.
Good theory man, I like it!
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after re reading I didn't really say what I was trying to say, what i was trying to say is why is her armour in the painted world? From what u all say she was banished there right? So why is she about a stones throw from the painted world in game terms and has just left her gear their but she is alive and kicking just wearing different armour. I just don't get why her clothes are their but she is just close by and has just left her sick *** weapon and clothes there. Please some1explain this to me? I understand the games lore
but I have only been to painted world once and don't know much about the lore from
There other than the stuff there the gods feared and put them
In a painting so they could harm the gods, at least this is what I assume.
Are you saying it is impossible to fathom bequething a set of items to a member of your order? Or what I said in the op that you missed. Like I said, if the concept was scapped then the most plausible idea would be that her design would have been transfered to a similar facade, that being the knightess. The painted world also has an certain npc in it that is particularly famous for being a abominationUX-government-agent wrote:if she was Velka then why would you find velkas armour and weapons in the painted world? I mean the armours are totally different they have no similarities so I dont think there is any evidence to support your theory, however i am no expert but in dark souls you can link anyone if you really want to. The only think I'd say is Velka is probably the most interesting person that we don't see in the game or the dlc apart from the gow.
after re reading I didn't really say what I was trying to say, what i was trying to say is why is her armour in the painted world? From what u all say she was banished there right? So why is she about a stones throw from the painted world in game terms and has just left her gear their but she is alive and kicking just wearing different armour. I just don't get why her clothes are their but she is just close by and has just left her sick *** weapon and clothes there. Please some1explain this to me? I understand the games lore
but I have only been to painted world once and don't know much about the lore from
There other than the stuff there the gods feared and put them
In a painting so they could harm the gods, at least this is what I assume.
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X-government-agent wrote:n0rain wrote:Are you saying it is impossible to fathom bequething a set of items to a member of your order? Or what I said in the op that you missed. Like I said, if the concept was scapped then the most plausible idea would be that her design would have been transfered to a similar facade, that being the knightess. The painted world also has an certain npc in it that is particularly famous for being a abomination.X-government-agent wrote:if she was Velka then why would you find velkas armour and weapons in the painted world? I mean the armours are totally different they have no similarities so I dont think there is any evidence to support your theory, however i am no expert but in dark souls you can link anyone if you really want to. The only think I'd say is Velka is probably the most interesting person that we don't see in the game or the dlc apart from the gow.
I'm sure your are right and after re reading I didn't really say what I was trying to say, what i was trying to say is why is her armour in the painted world? From what u all say she was banished there right? So why is she about a stones throw from the painted world in game terms and has just left her gear their but she is alive and kicking just wearing different armour. I just don't get why her clothes are their but she is just close by and has just left her sick *** weapon and clothes there. Please some1 explain this to me? I understand the games lore
but I have only been to painted world once and don't know much about the lore from
There other than the stuff there the gods feared and put them
In a painting so they could harm the gods, at least this is what I assume.
The armor is armor used by a bishop of her order, not her armor. The Black Cleric set is a unidorm for her followers. What you find is her rapier which is also a trinket that is gifted to her followers. Her miracles are symbols of her power. She thrives on a hybtid type synergy as well as Gwyndolyn which is another good point to mention.
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i think the crow is her minion also while my personal opinion is that velka is alive it makes sense that she would have hollowed and Gwyndolen replaced her. I'm not sure gods with power can hollow though gwyn gave away all of his. On a side note i am now almost certain Gwyn was the first god and gave some of his power to the other gods and later seath and the 4 kings. after all he was once a normal person. the description of his soul shows he gave some of his power to the gods at some point and seath and the kings are evidence power can be given away. aside from this though i know i don't have a lot of evidnce to this theory - just getting that out there before doughguy has another tirade.
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Here is why I think (MY SPECULATION) Velka is the crow, lets think, Gwyn used of unnatural means to extend the power of his court out of fear and power lust, and caused series of catastrophes, such as the undead outbreak (i think the linking of the flame led to that)
Velka's objectives, above all things, is to punish all kinds of sin, and if halting the course of nature and wrecking havoc on the land is not a sin, i really don't know what it is, but she can't do it herself (i can't explain why here, maybe because she is captive somewhere... idk) and what is the player's main objective (forgetting the link the fire and the dark lord endings) to kill Gwyn, so Velka used of the Chosen undead legend, to bring justice upon Gwyn, by any means necessary, but again since she is unable to do stuff herself she can't halt you from linking the fire
But again, this is all my speculation, so take it as you will (<--- see i am warning people of this... you know i'm talking about you you you prick <--- this is directed to a single user not all so ignore this part if you are not the user in question since i don't want to write names, but the person i'm talking about will know if he/she reads it...)
Velka's objectives, above all things, is to punish all kinds of sin, and if halting the course of nature and wrecking havoc on the land is not a sin, i really don't know what it is, but she can't do it herself (i can't explain why here, maybe because she is captive somewhere... idk) and what is the player's main objective (forgetting the link the fire and the dark lord endings) to kill Gwyn, so Velka used of the Chosen undead legend, to bring justice upon Gwyn, by any means necessary, but again since she is unable to do stuff herself she can't halt you from linking the fire
But again, this is all my speculation, so take it as you will (<--- see i am warning people of this... you know i'm talking about you you you prick <--- this is directed to a single user not all so ignore this part if you are not the user in question since i don't want to write names, but the person i'm talking about will know if he/she reads it...)
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menzinho wrote:Here is why I think (MY SPECULATION) Velka is the crow, lets think, Gwyn used of unnatural means to extend the power of his court out of fear and power lust, and caused series of catastrophes, such as the undead outbreak (i think the linking of the flame led to that)
Velka's objectives, above all things, is to punish all kinds of sin, and if halting the course of nature and wrecking havoc on the land is not a sin, i really don't know what it is, but she can't do it herself (i can't explain why here, maybe because she is captive somewhere... idk) and what is the player's main objective (forgetting the link the fire and the dark lord endings) to kill Gwyn, so Velka used of the Chosen undead legend, to bring justice upon Gwyn, by any means necessary, but again since she is unable to do stuff herself she can't halt you from linking the fire
But again, this is all my speculation, so take it as you will (<--- see i am warning people of this... you know i'm talking about you you you prick <--- this is directed to a single user not all so ignore this part if you are not the user in question since i don't want to write names, but the person i'm talking about will know if he/she reads it...)
I’d have to agree with that direction of thought. Not sure if you saw my post above but something else to add to what you’re saying is the peculiar doll. It basically gives you access to Velka’s “tools” of punishment. Occult weapons… weapons she bestows to her followers.. etc. It was put into your cell for a reason (hole in the roof of your cell, dropped by the crow?). The crow takes you back when you are ready, and what do you find when you get there? Black Knights scattered about with one right in front of your cell. Where else are there that many Black Knights in one area? None that I can think of besides the Kiln. Your comment also helps me continue believing that it is Velka talking during the intro. She propagating the “Chosen Undead” legend to get you motivated. If the Dragons represented nature the telling of that story could be a hint at what Velka is considering the Gods true sin. But yes it’s all just speculation, but I like the way your thinking!
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Do you think that Velka is a ROUGUE deity then because she is keeping her identity hidden and cannot be tracked/found rather then because she is being hunted by most probably Gwyn. Or maybe both!
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(AGAIN, FAT SPECULATION) She is rogue for the same reason the Firstborn is an outcast, for siding with the humans, i'd say she's either hidden away or imprisoned, and indeed being hunted by Gwyn's followers, good point, to the point of his knights going after the Undead trapped in the asylum, notice how there are no undead in the hallways (but of course they could be the same undead with torches by the door, but makes sense to me that the black knights, the most loyal to Gwyn, went there to try and kill their master's possible punisher)
and as much as i'd like to link the Occult weaponry to Velka i simply can't, although it is indeed in the same place that her gear is, she was a god too, meaning that thing would be but i found no item descrip that would support that link, however i am a supporter of that theory and i'd really like to find solid proof that the Occult stuff was of Velka's making (maybe that is what made her "Rougue"? i don't know really i'm just a humble DS player XD)
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Awesome thing i found too that rocked my world, snugly will trade a Sunlight medal for a White titanite Chunk, use to upgrade what? That's right, Occult weaponry, if we find a way to link Occult to Velka, this is very likely a link between her and the Firstborn OMG!!!
and as much as i'd like to link the Occult weaponry to Velka i simply can't, although it is indeed in the same place that her gear is, she was a god too, meaning that thing would be but i found no item descrip that would support that link, however i am a supporter of that theory and i'd really like to find solid proof that the Occult stuff was of Velka's making (maybe that is what made her "Rougue"? i don't know really i'm just a humble DS player XD)
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Awesome thing i found too that rocked my world, snugly will trade a Sunlight medal for a White titanite Chunk, use to upgrade what? That's right, Occult weaponry, if we find a way to link Occult to Velka, this is very likely a link between her and the Firstborn OMG!!!
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She may be dead for all we know ......or maybe....she sacrificed herself in the making of the Occult weapons, like she alouded it to be tested on her to see wether they worked. But that is quite a price to pay. {S} <¬¬¬ a humble mark of specualtion
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Good theory, loved it, keep following that line of though we might get there, but that is still very unfounded, since the only link we have between her and Occult is the location of the Ember, but i find her death to be very unlikely, since she still have miracles around, pardoners who worship her, maybe she is hidden in Carim, therefore many of her followers hail from that land of badasses...
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menzinho wrote:(AGAIN, FAT SPECULATION) She is rogue for the same reason the Firstborn is an outcast, for siding with the humans, i'd say she's either hidden away or imprisoned, and indeed being hunted by Gwyn's followers, good point, to the point of his knights going after the Undead trapped in the asylum, notice how there are no undead in the hallways (but of course they could be the same undead with torches by the door, but makes sense to me that the black knights, the most loyal to Gwyn, went there to try and kill their master's possible punisher)
and as much as i'd like to link the Occult weaponry to Velka i simply can't, although it is indeed in the same place that her gear is, she was a god too, meaning that thing would be but i found no item descrip that would support that link, however i am a supporter of that theory and i'd really like to find solid proof that the Occult stuff was of Velka's making (maybe that is what made her "Rougue"? i don't know really i'm just a humble DS player XD)
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Awesome thing i found too that rocked my world, snugly will trade a Sunlight medal for a White titanite Chunk, use to upgrade what? That's right, Occult weaponry, if we find a way to link Occult to Velka, this is very likely a link between her and the Firstborn OMG!!!
That link being?? Shes his mother? That the first born is a mama's boy who sided with her and paid the price? If she was Gwyn wife then she was already in the outs with Gwyn because she gave him a son that's affiliated with the moon....then she started corrupting his child of sunlight!!!... Oh god I’m writing fan fiction again I really gotta stop lol
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That is a theory, i for one say they sided since she saw on him a likely ally since she was expelled like he was (only she fled and was not striped of her deific status) and again the lack of evidence halts us my friend...
We can't say for certain who the hell is Gwyn's wife, and i'd wager that his wife would stand by him, no matter the size of his crime, not try to kill him for it, but again that is just me, i just don't like the idea of the first born not being freaking awesome and victim of some crazy plot involving Gwyndolin (who in my opinion hated him just like Princess Dianna hated the press) who used the fact he was against the harvesting of humans for their humanity to keep the flame to convince the other gods to strip him of his status and delete him from the annals, and Velka was the only goddess who saw this and, seeing she was next, fled and left her followers to carry her work on.
We can't say for certain who the hell is Gwyn's wife, and i'd wager that his wife would stand by him, no matter the size of his crime, not try to kill him for it, but again that is just me, i just don't like the idea of the first born not being freaking awesome and victim of some crazy plot involving Gwyndolin (who in my opinion hated him just like Princess Dianna hated the press) who used the fact he was against the harvesting of humans for their humanity to keep the flame to convince the other gods to strip him of his status and delete him from the annals, and Velka was the only goddess who saw this and, seeing she was next, fled and left her followers to carry her work on.
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When you suggested that the firstborn wanted to be stripped of his status and removed from annals, I imagined the firstbron walking up to a Pardoner:- Current covenant: Warrior of Sunlight ~ leave covenant~ firstborn: 'that was easy!' XD
Also on my self testing theory of occuly weapons on Velka and her dying, then perhaps she didn't die but was severly injuried and retreated away and this is why she cannot directly help you. {S}
Also on my self testing theory of occuly weapons on Velka and her dying, then perhaps she didn't die but was severly injuried and retreated away and this is why she cannot directly help you. {S}
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i said he wanted to be stripped? Lol if i did that is n not my point of view, but Gwyndolin wanted him to disappear i think, good one though XD
now onto Velka, that is another step, and it is very plausible, may even be true, but it still needs in-game backing up XD sorry if i keep banging on that note, but that is the main flaw on most DS Lore Theories, people spewing out their ideas and not bothering to back them up with in-game stuff, and there is nothing wrong with that so long as you make it pretty clear it is only your speculation ^^
now onto Velka, that is another step, and it is very plausible, may even be true, but it still needs in-game backing up XD sorry if i keep banging on that note, but that is the main flaw on most DS Lore Theories, people spewing out their ideas and not bothering to back them up with in-game stuff, and there is nothing wrong with that so long as you make it pretty clear it is only your speculation ^^
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I actually think the statues of the mother holding a baby all around Lordran are Velka and Solaire.
I have only looked at the Sunlight Altar statue recently, so forgive me if there are differences, but if you look at the Statue, the woman looks kind of like Gwynevere/Gwyndolin, but is clearly a female and not well-endowed enough to be Gwynevere. She also wears a crown.
The baby is wielding a sword (it actually looks like the woman is about to cut the baby's leg off at first glance, but upon review I think the baby is actually wielding it).
Now, 1) the statues could differ cause I didn't check more than one 2) if you don't believe Solaire is the GoW (which he is
), then just imagine I said 'GoW' and not 'Solaire' specifically, 3) I am basing this guess mostly off of the fact that generally, it is believed that Velka and Gwyn were married (thus, would explain why she looks like Gwyn's children and why she'd be coddling the GoW).
I have only looked at the Sunlight Altar statue recently, so forgive me if there are differences, but if you look at the Statue, the woman looks kind of like Gwynevere/Gwyndolin, but is clearly a female and not well-endowed enough to be Gwynevere. She also wears a crown.
The baby is wielding a sword (it actually looks like the woman is about to cut the baby's leg off at first glance, but upon review I think the baby is actually wielding it).
Now, 1) the statues could differ cause I didn't check more than one 2) if you don't believe Solaire is the GoW (which he is
), then just imagine I said 'GoW' and not 'Solaire' specifically, 3) I am basing this guess mostly off of the fact that generally, it is believed that Velka and Gwyn were married (thus, would explain why she looks like Gwyn's children and why she'd be coddling the GoW).
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