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    Just a fun fact!

    Post by Rynn on Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:01 am

    A lightning rapier does more backstab damage then a non-buffed rapier until you have 53 dex and 40 strength.

    A normal rapier does more damage on a normal hit at 12 strength and 45 dex.

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    Re: Just a fun fact!

    Post by Soul_Reaver on Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:31 am

    Yeah, I was always under the impression that criticals ignored elemental resistances.

    What about Chaos? Since it does more damage. Lightning rapier has 405 AR, chaos rapier does 410 AR.
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    Re: Just a fun fact!

    Post by RANT on Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:04 am

    Chaos is th best for crits.


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    Re: Just a fun fact!

    Post by zzombieboy on Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:09 am

    I was actually going to make a post asking this yesterday. Never got round to it, and you beat me to it silly Thanks Rynn!

    +15 Ricard's with Gold Pine Resin and 45 Dex beats it though silly


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    Re: Just a fun fact!

    Post by Rynn on Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:19 pm

    zzombieboy wrote:I was actually going to make a post asking this yesterday. Never got round to it, and you beat me to it silly Thanks Rynn!

    +15 Ricard's with Gold Pine Resin and 45 Dex beats it though silly
    Buffs add their damage to every single hit, no matter how weak the blow. Ricards is OP if you get the R2 off, but otherwise weaker in every way then a rapier.
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    Re: Just a fun fact!

    Post by zzombieboy on Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:23 pm

    So a critical with a Gold Pine Resin on +15 Ricards would still do less than a lightning Rapier? It seems like it should do more, based on AR and the weird hidden multiplier. I ask because I'm using it to Gank Hunt in the forest silly


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    Re: Just a fun fact!

    Post by Rynn on Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:32 pm

    Oh, good question!
    A buff adds (let's go with the 99 int variety) 441 damage to your weapon, right?
    Well, the rapier only has 383 AR... so a 441 buff should theoretically make my rapier now do 2400 damage!

    But that's now how buffs work.
    Buffs do not contribute to the backstab mechanic, and are multiplied in a different way.

    So, let's say you do 100 damage with an R1
    Your buff makes your R1 do 420 damage... or 100+320.

    Your backstab (with a hornet) does 1300 damage.
    So your backstab will do 1620 damage now.
    1300 + 320... because buffs do not get multiplied by anything.

    In conclusion, the rapier will still do more backstab damage then the ricards rapier.
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    Re: Just a fun fact!

    Post by DarkW17 on Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:38 pm

    It funny that you did this thread I was hosting and waiting for people...so I did some dmg tests with the rapier and bandits knife last night!

    I was however testing chaos +5 vs +15 and I was using a 40/40 build to test with parrys not BS....the chaos won both times but by a very small margin

    The bandits chaos with no hornets did 1009 and the +15 did 989....the chaos rapier did 1280 and the +15 did 1250 give or take!

    these numbers with vary with armor ect but it makes me wonder why I keep making stat scaling builds when I could just be making elemental titans

    Oh and with regards the the rapier vs richards the rapier will always win because it is the only rapier with 110 crit!


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