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Advice on a build

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Advice on a build

Post by Opedak Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:04 pm

Hello all.
So, a few days ago i was messing around with my first build ever, a dex faith build. Since this was my first, it had 24 strength, and 37 vit. It isn't the most efficient build, but this build gave me an idea for another one
http://tinyurl.com/8tz6fsy
That one to be exact, but I need some help with it. As you can see, to get that 50 faith I had to sacrifice a bit, my question is. Do I need all that Dex? Can I just make my weapon divine, and get more attunment and Vit, or should I keep it like this.

And what sheild should I use? I was thinking Sanctus, since it would fit the whole Golden Knight thing, but I really like having 70+ stability

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Re: Advice on a build

Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:18 pm

I don't like 50 Faith if you're not going to use the DMB buff, but that's just me.

I will say this for your build, with the Ring of the Sun's Firstborn and miracles like Sunlight Spear it looks like you are constructing an offensive Faith build which employs the miracles themselves to do damage, don't see those much, so it's definitely unique.

Also, at 50 Faith, the Darkmoon Talisman is the best talisman, the difference isn't huge but it is a difference, nonetheless.

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Re: Advice on a build

Post by Opedak Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:25 pm

WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:I don't like 50 Faith if you're not going to use the DMB buff, but that's just me.

I will say this for your build, with the Ring of the Sun's Firstborn and miracles like Sunlight Spear it looks like you are constructing an offensive Faith build which employs the miracles themselves to do damage, don't see those much, so it's definitely unique.

Also, at 50 Faith, the Darkmoon Talisman is the best talisman, the difference isn't huge but it is a difference, nonetheless.

See, that why my other build inspired this one. He had around 30 faith, and almost all his damage in pvp (And alot on bosses, those lightning spears man) Come from miracles.
I rarely ever use my weapon on players, so I just thought I'd refine that idea
And its only a 5 point difference, I like the way the ivory talisman looks over the darkmoon anyways.
I'm also good enough to aim those spears without lock on, so I would get a hit in with it, and it can do some big damage.
But!
If I added more attunment I could add some defensive spells, or maybe emit force or something,

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Re: Advice on a build

Post by Ghadis_God Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:35 pm

Your Vitality is too low, 1250 HP isn't really enough for a SL 120 build. You'll die much faster compared to people with as much as 1800 HP as is possible at 120.

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Re: Advice on a build

Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:37 pm

If you can hit with the Sunlight Spears then more power to you, I know I can't. They're too slow and are too obvious for me, but if it's your niche then that could be the trick which makes you a successful PvPer.

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Post by RANT Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:40 pm

This is my build that I use for hunting in the forest htytp://www.mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?b=Y2xlcmljLDMyLDE2LDMxLDE0LDQwLDExLDgsNTAsOTksMjAsMjcsMzQsMTAsMzEsMjIsMTI5LDE0LDQsMCxub3JtYWwsZGV2aW5lLG5vcm1hbCxub3JtYWwsMCw0Niw2Niw1OCw1NCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsNCx3b29kZW4sd29vZGVuLHdvb2Rlbix3b29kZW4= sorry for long *** link(Damn you phone!) Slb is better than dmb because most people have a much higher magic res than lightning res, just look at my res. With what I have I can take a gs hit or two 2h straight sword hits, it's worked so well for me and maybe it con ok d help you make your better.

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Post by Opedak Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:41 pm

Ghadis_God wrote:Your Vitality is too low, 1250 HP isn't really enough for a SL 120 build. You'll die much faster compared to people with as much as 1800 HP as is possible at 120.

The most Vit I'll invest in this build is 40, and thats only about 100 more hp
High Vit is overrated

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Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:42 pm

Struggling to open your link, Rant... :|

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Post by RANT Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:45 pm

Sorry dude, I meant to say that SOMETIMES slb is better than dmb, not always btw. And yes opedak you do not NEED hight vit on a build like that since you can kill people with two strings attack of a buffed bss.

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Post by Opedak Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:51 pm

WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:If you can hit with the Sunlight Spears then more power to you, I know I can't. They're too slow and are too obvious for me, but if it's your niche then that could be the trick which makes you a successful PvPer.

It not that hard, I could use more practice still, but after using them so much you start to get down how to
Plus, even if you miss, just barely grazing an enemy with one of them can freak them out.
And that is always fun to watch

@Rant

Your link, it does not work

And yes, buffs can be a wonderful thing, and if this build uses a buff it will be Slb, but should I sacrifice a few point of dex to get an extra attunment slot or two?
A buff isn't needed anyawy though, like I said, I have troubles hitting people with my weapon

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Post by RANT Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:30 pm

http://tinyurl.com/97kcdeu better?

Edit; I forgot to put my shortbow(chaos) on the right hand, make sure you have poison and fire arrows. When you have low vit switch the wolf ring for the rtsr for extra damage which will probably ohko a lot of people.

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Re: Advice on a build

Post by Opedak Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:13 am

Bump from the next day. Stupid internet went out.

Anyways, that gave me an idea to make this build a bit better, came up with this http://tinyurl.com/98hosf4

Just..One thing, do miracles benefit from 45 Dex?
Because if they do, then, well...I might need more Dex.
Oh and thanks Rant, made me look over my build and see if I could make it any better

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Re: Advice on a build

Post by WyrmHero Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:37 am

For the lightning spears yes. I would ditch Emit Force really, even with 45 Dex I don't think that miracle is getting any faster lol. I would choose between Replenishment or GMB. If you cast 1 you can't cast the other at the same time. So if you don't have 45 Dex I don't really recommend having the lightning spears. Some tweaks:

http://www.mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=1487737338246684

Try casting Great Heal in a duel! LOL

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Re: Advice on a build

Post by Opedak Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:55 am

WyrmHero wrote:For the lightning spears yes. I would ditch Emit Force really, even with 45 Dex I don't think that miracle is getting any faster lol. I would choose between Replenishment or GMB. If you cast 1 you can't cast the other at the same time. So if you don't have 45 Dex I don't really recommend having the lightning spears. Some tweaks:

http://www.mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=1487737338246684

Try casting Great Heal in a duel! LOL

So many WotGs O-o
And 50 faith seems like a waste if your not gonna use sunlight spear
But yeah, I don't need Both Replenishment and GMB attuned...

Your adjustments are nice, but seems to sray a bit too far from what this build is for and meant to do, and thats having most of its damage from miracles.
Yeah, the buffs could do that, and so could WotGs, but, those as my only two?
I don't like it, I have an int toon who only has the soul spears, and even if she can cast alot of them, it just gets boring I guess.
But thanks! You answered my question, Dex does effect cat speeds of the spear miracles
Now where to go form this...
This? http://tinyurl.com/9gvf2u2
Thats about the highest level I'll go with that build by the way

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Post by WyrmHero Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:15 am

Yeah with low Dex the best you can have is lots of WoGs lol. I ditched GLGS Dance because it doesn't match the build's theme, seeing it as a divine caster.

That one you posted could work. But watch out for that very low HP. 1 BS and 1 hit and you are dead. Why using Havel's Ring when you can use DWGR? You can lower your End to 20 and increase Vit. Here's my electro man, a build who focuses on lightning spears, and yes they are faster, but still slow for PvP. I sometimes connect though.

http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=1303123242261772

I ditched the crossbow and exchanged fap ring for ring of the sun.

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Post by Opedak Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:28 am

WyrmHero wrote:Yeah with low Dex the best you can have is lots of WoGs lol. I ditched GLGS Dance because it doesn't match the build's theme, seeing it as a divine caster.

That one you posted could work. But watch out for that very low HP. 1 BS and 1 hit and you are dead. Why using Havel's Ring when you can use DWGR? You can lower your End to 20 and increase Vit. Here's my electro man, a build who focuses on lightning spears, and yes they are faster, but still slow for PvP. I sometimes connect though.

http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=1303123242261772

I ditched the crossbow and exchanged fap ring for ring of the sun.

I dislike the flip roll, doesn't feel right, I don't know. I can never get the rolls down, always get hit with it for some reason.

Hm...Thanks for the help, I think I may have something worked out.
45 Dex doesn't seem to make a huge difference with the lighting spears though, I have two toons that can use Great lightning spear, one with around 40 Dex and one with 10.
Its less than a second difference if I counted right, I should be able to compensate for that

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Post by WyrmHero Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:05 am

It does, almost like 45 Dex on fireball.

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Re: Advice on a build

Post by Opedak Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:17 am

So basing off of that Videos time the difference between 14 dex and 45 is exactly 0.7 seconds
Eh...Not sure if thats all that worth the stat investment with me having 50 faith as well...

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