Shotels and the Power they Possess

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    Shotels and the Power they Possess

    Post by lordgodofhell on Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:15 am


    I figured amidst some of the more comical vent threads, we could use a good ol' fashioned actual pvp question lol.

    So, the question here is for those with knowledge on the Shotel.

    I am aware of it's bypassing shield effect and am curious. I have used it sparingly and sometimes it will do its AR minus their defense etc, but sometimes all I get out of it is chip damage.

    So my question is, does anyone know the conditions that must be met for a Shotel to bypass the shield defense? I am at a loss here as it seems to randomly get through every now and then, sometimes it just causes chip damage (elemental Shotels).

    Anyone can shed light on this subject for me?


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    Re: Shotels and the Power they Possess

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:50 am

    I almost exclusively use Shotel so I suppose I would be interested in this too. I'll post back with what I find.


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    Re: Shotels and the Power they Possess

    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:53 am

    Use them normal so that they just go through physical defense. Maybe they calculate shield defense too.


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    Re: Shotels and the Power they Possess

    Post by BLA1NE on Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:17 am

    Are you using the strong attack? Only R2s go through shields. Sounds to me like you're using R1 and getting occasional dead-angles, and the rest of the time you're hitting the shield!

    So only R2s go through shields, and they take a lot of stamina. Pressing R2 twice does a combo, and each second hit takes even more stamina. Even with very high stamina, I don't think you can get more than 3-4 R2s off before your entire bar is depleted. 3-4 isn't many, because the shotel is not a strong weapon, and it's reach is pretty bad. It's got a decent swing arc, so you can hit a strafing opponent well, but if they're back-pedaling, the shotel's short reach can become an issue.

    Other than bypassing shields, it's a rather average weapon. Pretty low damage, pretty bad reach. Its moveset is decent (running-R1 is alright for getting a bit extra range out of the weapon, but doesn't go through shields), but really I don't think it's worth putting up with this weapon unless you intend solely on going through shields. To take advantage of this weapon's special shield-bypassing attribute, then, you have to limit yourself to its R2 attacks, and they've got little range and take a lot of stamina. But, worse than that, it makes you predictable, which means you can get parried. Go to town against people wielding shields that can't parry, but be careful against those who can.

    Recommended uses: in your second right hand slot, pull it out once in a while as a surprise against turtles. Best use for this would be on a SL120 Dex toon, upgraded to +14/+15. Or use it elemental, on a low level toon. Since the shotel is a low damage weapon, the best way to take advantage of it is to use it against low Vit opponents. Other than for trolling as an invader or for a few surprise hits, though, I wouldn't rely on it.


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    Re: Shotels and the Power they Possess

    Post by Pesth on Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:38 pm

    This ^

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    Re: Shotels and the Power they Possess

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:30 pm

    I love the shotel, but it's so easy to parry. I mainly just have one in stock for greatshield users.
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    Re: Shotels and the Power they Possess

    Post by Buggy Virus on Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:31 pm

    I think it bypasses as long as you have enough DEX to wield it.

    ON the other hand, they aren't very good. I use them for invasions, but in duels if you see someone with a shotel you can just switch out to pretty much any weapon, since it has one of the lowest ARs, and the strong attack of the shotel takes enough time to easily counter is a larger weapon.

    Meaning you'll trade blows to death.


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    Re: Shotels and the Power they Possess

    Post by Rynn on Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:20 pm

    I used shotels for a while... they are useful... but insanely predictable.
    As a rapier user, i get this weapon pulled on me at least once every hours, and it's got a rediculously large parry box. I've got about 2 or 3 seconds during which if i parry, i'll get it... only it's R2 does it, and that attack is very predictable.

    Your best bet is to buff it (sun light blade especially) and then 2 hand it. Do 2 or 3 R1's, then an R2. If they are a turtle, then just go straight to the R2's unless they have parried before.

    It's 2 handed R2 has deceitful range.
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    Re: Shotels and the Power they Possess

    Post by lordgodofhell on Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:46 pm


    Big Thanks to Rynn and Blaine! I sort of expected the answer to come from you two LOL.


    So it's R2 not R1, yup that was my problem. When I "Randomly" got the effect I'm pretty sure it was exclusively when I hit R2 during by combos of hitting both choices.

    Buffing it would be great for my faith builds. I use it chaos and it does more than standard since I never gouge dexterity like that.


    Again, thanks guys, Blaine your threads in particular have been most useful to me.


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    Re: Shotels and the Power they Possess

    Post by Domassus on Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:51 pm

    Shotel in right hand and pyro flame in the other can make some greatshield turtles weep.
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    Re: Shotels and the Power they Possess

    Post by RANT on Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:53 pm

    the only good thing is for is for turtles that use greatshields, other wise its meh and really easy to parry.


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    Re: Shotels and the Power they Possess

    Post by BLA1NE on Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:06 pm

    @lordgod

    Happy to help!


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