Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

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    Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by ithunktwice on Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:10 am

    So my high level toon recently became too high sl to effectively be in the DM covenant, so I decided to kill Gwyndolin and go for the Darkmoon Bow. I heard somewhere that the darkmoon bow + moonlight arrows does the most damage of any bow/arrow combo, including the DSGB. However, after trying it out, I'm only doing about 120-160 damage per hit. Would the composite bow +15 with large arrows be a better choice?


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:13 am

    Depends on build. If you have 50 faith, then occult/divine composite. If you have low stats I think Darkmoon Bow wins.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by Gaxe on Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:18 am

    Idk, i'm a pvp person, bows aren't good in pvp lol.
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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by ithunktwice on Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:20 am

    Gaxe wrote:Idk, i'm a pvp person, bows aren't good in pvp lol.
    I'm talking about in pvp. Peeve seems to have no trouble using a bow effectively, and it's nice to have a viable ranged option besides avelyn lol!


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by Gaxe on Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:22 am

    ithunktwice wrote:
    Gaxe wrote:Idk, i'm a pvp person, bows aren't good in pvp lol.
    I'm talking about in pvp. Peeve seems to have no trouble using a bow effectively, and it's nice to have a viable ranged option besides avelyn lol!

    Sorry bud but you use a bow against me your not going to survive long since i'm more of a person that's in your face with a katana/rapier :3
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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by ithunktwice on Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:28 am

    Gaxe wrote:Sorry bud but you use a bow against me your not going to survive long since i'm more of a person that's in your face with a katana/rapier :3
    Katanas Look Skyward please tell me you don't spam roll r1 like almost everyone else that uses them... almost as easy to parry as the burger king gank axe.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by Wilkinson3424 on Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:30 am

    Gaxe wrote:Idk, i'm a pvp person, bows aren't good in pvp lol.
    are you sure about that, i have a bow only build and its awesome! its my sunbro so i just use ring of fog and hawk ring, and snipe from afar while my buddys take care of the rest.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by Ghadis_God on Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:38 am

    Bows can be useful for sniping down a running/flasking opponent on their last legs but unless you're shooting at an already distracted opponent, you have to be really good to utilize them effectively.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by Wilkinson3424 on Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:45 am

    well i pvp in the kiln with my sunbro. so i mainly use my dragonslayer bow and knock them off the ledges, if not then im useing my BBoP with poison arrows, then those moonlight arrow things. its SUPER effective.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:24 am

    Gaxe wrote:Idk, i'm a pvp person, bows aren't good in pvp lol.

    You really haven't met a good bow user haven't you?


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:38 am

    I've seen a good bow user fight a good pvper and they won without taking damage. When used well they destroy their targets. Its like an even longer ranged spear.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by Wilkinson3424 on Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:30 am

    Yeah this is basicly how i win with bows.
    *Darkwraith enters world*

    Shoot poison arrows until poisoned.

    TWoP

    Dragonslayer greatpwn.

    Flask before they get up

    Dragonslayer greatpwn.

    Run away.

    Shoot moonlight arrows from afar, until he gets to close then dragonslayer pwn again.

    rinse and repeat, flask as needed.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by Noob-of-Artorias on Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:45 am

    Wilkinson3424 wrote:Yeah this is basicly how i win with bows.
    *Darkwraith enters world*

    Shoot poison arrows until poisoned.

    TWoP

    Dragonslayer greatpwn.

    Flask before they get up

    Dragonslayer greatpwn.

    Run away.

    Shoot moonlight arrows from afar, until he gets to close then dragonslayer pwn again.

    rinse and repeat, flask as needed.
    ....you....you....you bastard!!!

    ...though I must admit, it's effectiveness, I've been killed in a similar fashion more than once.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:46 am

    What you do is wield the DSB without the required str values. SO its still shoots them across the screen but does like 2 damage.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by Rifter7 on Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:21 am

    i just use a +15 composite bow with large or poison arrows. it hits for like 100-200.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by ithunktwice on Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:21 pm

    Like I said, this is my high sl build, so I have at least 50 in all relevant stats.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by Carphil on Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:29 pm

    Returning topic to OP, before it starts: "bows are good VS bows are not good"

    I preffer the Darkmoon bow. With moonlight arrows, you can do lots of damage that normally is ignored and underestimated by the enemy

    http://tinyurl.com/bw72a4v

    same speed, same weight, darkmoon bow is cooler and requires Demons titanite instead of chunks. For someone who don't glitch to get itens, like me, its much better


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by ithunktwice on Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:33 pm

    Carphil wrote:Returning topic to OP, before it starts: "bows are good VS bows are not good"

    I preffer the Darkmoon bow. With moonlight arrows, you can do lots of damage that normally is ignored and underestimated by the enemy

    http://tinyurl.com/bw72a4v

    same speed, same weight, darkmoon bow is cooler and requires Demons titanite instead of chunks. For someone who don't glitch to get itens, like me, its much better
    So while looking at your bow build, I noticed that divine + 10 has a higher AR. Does occult have some kind of modifier that makes it penetrate armor or something or does divine actually deal more damage with 50 faith?

    Edit: I just realized that's not an actual build lol!


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by Carphil on Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:41 pm

    ithunktwice wrote:
    Carphil wrote:Returning topic to OP, before it starts: "bows are good VS bows are not good"

    I preffer the Darkmoon bow. With moonlight arrows, you can do lots of damage that normally is ignored and underestimated by the enemy

    http://tinyurl.com/bw72a4v

    same speed, same weight, darkmoon bow is cooler and requires Demons titanite instead of chunks. For someone who don't glitch to get itens, like me, its much better
    So while looking at your bow build, I noticed that divine + 10 has a higher AR. Does occult have some kind of modifier that makes it penetrate armor or something or does divine actually deal more damage with 50 faith?

    Edit: I just realized that's not an actual build lol!

    The only difference I noticed about large divine and occult things is scaling:

    http://tinyurl.com/bqktjae

    everything with C str and C dex scalign gets A in faith once you reach +9 divine or +4 occult. BUT, some people already complained about getting B doing the Large divine path and A doing the occult path. Maybe its a bug like the Elite knight set, in some places around the world it has 15 poise, in other places it has 20 poise.

    Plus the occult has more phisical AR and less magical AR.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by zzombieboy on Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:45 pm

    Bows are ridiculously good in PvP IMO. Shoot just as they swing and it's almost always a head shot, which does more damage and staggers them. Take poison arrows for the turtles and you're good to go! Faith archer is a really viable, if not completely OP, build silly


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:02 pm

    I also agree that bows are very very viable in pvp, almost too much so. I always face palm when people use the DSB and the arrow shoots in a 90 degree angle. I personally think the short bow is just as good as the composite, and it weighs half as much. They both fire at the same speed,and usually people are just using them to poison so it really isnt a big difference. I do try and use composite if i am a warrior 40/40 build cause it does great dmg. The darkmoon bow is basically the composite bow with magic dmg(which you could forge devine composite bow and do the same thing). If you have the correct stats to use it effectively, remember to use magic arrows.
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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:40 pm

    the dmbow has the advantage of range over the composite but if your at mid range with it it preforms ths same or worse than an occult composite. lastly, bows can be used similarly to spears, roll and fire roll and fire... you don't get hit and do lots of damage with the option of poisoning them too...


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by nsane32 on Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:55 pm

    the DM bow has the fastest fire rate of all the bows with a slight bit lower DMG also to difference between occult and divine is that occult DMGes humans(pvp) and divine DMGes undead(PVE)


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:18 pm

    Remeber that DM bow has physical and magical AR somewhat equally split. If you want to deal the most magical damage with moonlight arrows, you'll want a bow that has a large magical AR and scaling. Enchanted/magic and divine/occult upgrade path do this, sacrificing physical scaling for magical scaling. But if you are a high SL guy with all stats high (Str/Dex/Faith at 40/40/50) then you'll want the DM bow so that you have equal AR scaling on moonlight arrows and poison/large arrows.


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    Re: Is the Darkmoon Bow any good?

    Post by Gaxe on Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:23 pm

    Well I mainly fight in the Burg or Forest and bows really aren't a viable option in these places. I have had many people try to fight me with a bow in these places and they don't really do crap except leave them self open for my 2 hand R2 attack with my dragon greatsword rofl.

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