Life without the DWGR.

if you know how to do the surprise r1 anyone can fall for it, ive fallen for it too(EVERYONE makes mistakes and i mistake like that is really costly because of the amount of damage) and the greataxes rolling attack with med roll actually works pretty good, sometimes youre opponent wont expect arolling a tack with med roll and the rolling atack of the greataxes comes out of nowhere since its pretty fast for a weapon like that. i just dont like it when people say that certain weapons are inferio when they havent practiced with them enough or just doont feel like practicing and get better at them which is like 90% of the pvp'ers cause they just tend to go with dex since it s a lot easier to master.

It's harder except in the case of parries for roll R1's. I'm used to the fast roll R1. The little extra time would probably throw me off.

Trying to parry it, that is.

DamageCK wrote:It's harder except in the case of parries for roll R1's. I'm used to the fast roll R1. The little extra time would probably throw me off.

that's what i mean, the med roll would throw everyone off since they wont be used to it, of course they will adapt right away but you can always delay your hits.

The first one they fall for is 500+ damage. Pretty good edge.

^^ 777 posts, lucky

over 600 if its a counter which i love getting, feels so good:twisted:

I would use the exact same build, since most of my builds are medium roll builds.

Props Tolv.

My two main FC builds are actually a mid-roller and a fat-roller. Both have preformed well, and I think more people should try dropping their DWGR for something else. Making builds without the DWGR is a lot more interesting.

Mid-roll build: Link
Fat-roll build: Link

Although i agree with all of you that the normal rolls are "better", DWGR is clearly the best way to go. It allows for so many more stats to be used(unless you mid roll), and personally i think that flips make roll bs a lot easier. You're just able to turn your character more easily since they are basically always standing. After playing a decent amount of Demon's Souls I pray they go back to not having the flip ring, or at the very least make it so ANY armor with poise can not be worn while wearing it. Meaning only 40 poise is possible with flip ring, and that requires two ring slots. That is how it should have been in the first place.....

Demon's souls style

Light armor and light roll

Or heavy armor and heavy roll

That simple

Not using the DWGR makes your genitals appear 2x largers. 8)

^ i agree, but the flip ring originally seemed like a cool idea(for the first min. or so) until you ran into a flipping tank. If they were just not allowed any poise from armor that would fix a whole lot of the problems. I know people have suggested making it have a dex req., but i personally think thats a horrible idea after realizing that would just be yet another benefit for using a dex build.

lol yeah fruit, another pro foor dex builds would suck really bad, and this is going nowhere now, everyone has different opinons and im pretty sure nobody is gonna change it.

Carphil wrote:Demon's souls style

Light armor and light roll

That simple

Fixed that for you. No one used heavy armor in demons unless they wanted to die horribly when a mage or heavy weapon user showed.

True, but demons souls didn't have poise. I think we all know there's no real benefit to debating this, but forums were designed for discussions like this.

I agree with Forum on the med roll thing about great axes and great hammers. About the medium roll, my personal opinion is that I hate the damn thing. Even for PvE, medium roll for me is so slow, I prefer to fat roll, really. I once fought a guy at the Burg using a Washing Pole and medium roll, I would say he was slow, I clearly had the advantage with the flip, and with less sprinting speed than the fast roll, I can say medium roll is just not viable for dueling. He was very offensive, but he just couldn't reach me, his roll R1s were slow and predictable, I don't know. But then I was roll backstabbed by a medium roll once....yeah :oops:

Still waiting on that "No DWGR Fight Club Night" ya know...

lol a lot of us have been using fast roll a lot lately, we can do no flip night next week if everyone is down for it.

FruitPunchNinja wrote:make it so ANY armor with poise can not be worn while wearing it. Meaning only 40 poise is possible with flip ring, and that requires two ring slots. That is how it should have been in the first place.....

::golf clap::

FruitPunchNinja wrote:make it so ANY armor with poise can not be worn while wearing it. Meaning only 40 poise is possible with flip ring, and that requires two ring slots. That is how it should have been in the first place.....

Or to be less complicated, they could simply make the ring cut your poise value by 50% or something when you wear it. Seems like it would be less troubling in terms of programming and less confusing to a player trying to equip it.

Rant, I love the Greataxe xD - it is an amazing weapon - my FH is using it with SLB :L Just won a 4v1 with it HR BS can OHKO enemies that BS fish you etc; parries are a whole other story - then the roll attacks and r1s hit like 900 on full giants xD

Forum Pirate wrote:

Carphil wrote:Demon's souls style

Light armor and light roll

That simple

Fixed that for you. No one used heavy armor in demons unless they wanted to die horribly when a mage or heavy weapon user showed.

Well, I was talking about PVE as well, did you never used heavy armor PVEing in Demon's?

If DWGR makes PVP easy, imagine PVE. Nothing hits you, ever. Its kind of invicibility hack for me

I dont think it would be over complicated. Maybe have the description just say "allows one to have fast roll/flip while wearing light armor" of course have it sound cooler and more souls/fromsoft ish. i guess you could wear stuff like eastern leggings ext but that would still leave you under 53 poise.