Black Knight Halberd: worth the weight?

by BindMind Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:15 pm

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Black Knight Halberd: worth the weight?

Post by BindMind Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:15 pm

Yo, wassup guys.

So I'm in the process of creating a gravelord servant-type build, and I've run against a wall.

For my left hand I'm either looking for a weapon with a long-reaching attack or a sweeping attack. I quickly realized that, since the gravelord sword already has a nice stab move, I should probably go for a sweeping attack.

I've narrowed my options down to two choices: the Gargoyle's Halberd or the Black Knight Halberd.

The Black Knight Halberd's R2 is positively BADASS. I love the way it sweeps, and the damage isn't horrible either. The problem is the weight. For the build I want, and to get over 53 poise, I would need 61 endurance. That's... A lot. Here's what a build with the BKH looks like: http://goo.gl/I1d3I

The Gargoyle's Halberd is light, meaning I only need a 48 END investment, it offers resistances, and has the trademark sweeping attack. The issue is that I'd be missing out on that kickass BKH R2 sad

Here's a build with the Gargoyle's Halberd: http://goo.gl/9NC7b

So what do you guys think? Is that massive weight worth the sexy R2 swing?

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by WhatDoesThePendantDo? Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:20 pm

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Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:20 pm

I really think it depends on whether you want all those spells or whether you are fine settling for 4. The points off VIT aren't a killer so it really depends on how much you value those Attunement slots.

by BindMind Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:36 pm

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Post by BindMind Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:36 pm

Gah! I'm torn. The extra attunement slots are nice I guess, but that's not really the primary focus of the build. I already have a specific pyromancy build silly

I need someone to tell me outright what they think is better, because really, I'll just be humming and hawwing it and it'll never get done :shock:

by WyrmHero Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:06 pm

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Post by WyrmHero Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:06 pm

If you like the weapon try it. And your armor set up looks like my mage knight but dark themed lol. I say go with the BKH for fun.

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Post by BindMind Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:17 pm

I suppose it sort of looks like it.... No big hat though silly

I guess that settles it then. I'm gonna go for the BKH big grin

It looks badass, too.

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Post by Federally Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:27 pm

Me and anyone who's fought the cosplay can attest to the awesoneness that is the BK Halbred, and through fighting JoeBroski and his G Halbred I believe the Bkh R1 reaches further. I positively love the weapon and the 2H R2 is ridiculously epic!

Oh wait you're talking about using it in the left hand, well i dunnon. But why? Swap the flame and weapon imo

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Post by BindMind Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:32 pm

Federally wrote:Me and anyone who's fought the cosplay can attest to the awesoneness that is the BK Halbred, and through fighting JoeBroski and his G Halbred I believe the Bkh R1 reaches further. I positively love the weapon and the 2H R2 is ridiculously epic!

Oh wait you're talking about using it in the left hand, well i dunnon. But why? Swap the flame and weapon imo

I think I'll put the Gravelord Sword in the left hand instead (I want to dual wield with this build), but doesn't the BKH's 1H R2 do basically the same thing, just a bit weaker?

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Post by WyrmHero Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:46 pm

You won't be able to do the R2 attack of the halberd if it's wielded in the left hand. Only the R1 attack.

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Post by BindMind Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:50 pm

WyrmHero wrote:You won't be able to do the R2 attack of the halberd if it's wielded in the left hand. Only the R1 attack.

Hmm... Okay, well, I know the gravelord sword works in the left hand, so right handed then big grin

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Post by Federally Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:14 pm

BindMind wrote:

Federally wrote:Me and anyone who's fought the cosplay can attest to the awesoneness that is the BK Halbred, and through fighting JoeBroski and his G Halbred I believe the Bkh R1 reaches further. I positively love the weapon and the 2H R2 is ridiculously epic!

Oh wait you're talking about using it in the left hand, well i dunnon. But why? Swap the flame and weapon imo

I think I'll put the Gravelord Sword in the left hand instead (I want to dual wield with this build), but doesn't the BKH's 1H R2 do basically the same thing, just a bit weaker?

The BKH is no G Halbred or Scythe. The 1H R2 is a sweep, the 2H R2 is an epic jumping overhead slam for incredible awesome victory!

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Post by BindMind Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:17 pm

Federally wrote:

BindMind wrote:

Federally wrote:Me and anyone who's fought the cosplay can attest to the awesoneness that is the BK Halbred, and through fighting JoeBroski and his G Halbred I believe the Bkh R1 reaches further. I positively love the weapon and the 2H R2 is ridiculously epic!

Oh wait you're talking about using it in the left hand, well i dunnon. But why? Swap the flame and weapon imo

I think I'll put the Gravelord Sword in the left hand instead (I want to dual wield with this build), but doesn't the BKH's 1H R2 do basically the same thing, just a bit weaker?

The BKH is no G Halbred or Scythe. The 1H R2 is a sweep, the 2H R2 is an epic jumping overhead slam for incredible awesome victory!

I actually really love the 1H R2 sweep on the BKH. It's WAY cooler than the G Halberd's.

The jumping attack is cool too, I suppose, so BKH in the right, GS in the left happy

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Post by JoeBroski09 Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:50 pm

Federally wrote:and through fighting JoeBroski and his G Halbred I believe the Bkh R1 reaches further.

Yeah. Cause you know I use the g. halberd's full reach... -_- sarcasm.

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Post by Federally Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:48 am

JoeBroski09 wrote:

Federally wrote:and through fighting JoeBroski and his G Halbred I believe the Bkh R1 reaches further.

Yeah. Cause you know I use the g. halberd's full reach... -_- sarcasm.

I don't understand.

@BindMind I worded my post badly when I said its no G Halbred. Sounds like I like it less, when I love it much more.

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Post by JoeBroski09 Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:50 am

Federally wrote:

JoeBroski09 wrote:

Federally wrote:and through fighting JoeBroski and his G Halbred I believe the Bkh R1 reaches further.

Yeah. Cause you know I use the g. halberd's full reach... -_- sarcasm.

I don't understand.

@BindMind I worded my post badly when I said its no G Halbred. Sounds like I like it less, when I love it much more.

You saw my "I suck at PvP" video right? I roll up RIGHT on them. I might as well be kissing them while I hit them with the hilt of my halberd! :x

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Post by BindMind Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:54 am

JoeBroski09 wrote:

Federally wrote:

JoeBroski09 wrote:

Federally wrote:and through fighting JoeBroski and his G Halbred I believe the Bkh R1 reaches further.

Yeah. Cause you know I use the g. halberd's full reach... -_- sarcasm.

I don't understand.

@BindMind I worded my post badly when I said its no G Halbred. Sounds like I like it less, when I love it much more.

You saw my "I suck at PvP" video right? I roll up RIGHT on them. I might as well be kissing them while I hit them with the hilt of my halberd! :x

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Post by Federally Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:57 am

JoeBroski09 wrote:

Federally wrote:

JoeBroski09 wrote:

Federally wrote:and through fighting JoeBroski and his G Halbred I believe the Bkh R1 reaches further.

Yeah. Cause you know I use the g. halberd's full reach... -_- sarcasm.

I don't understand.

@BindMind I worded my post badly when I said its no G Halbred. Sounds like I like it less, when I love it much more.

You saw my "I suck at PvP" video right? I roll up RIGHT on them. I might as well be kissing them while I hit them with the hilt of my halberd! :x

Well you didn't do that to me lol

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Post by JoeBroski09 Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:01 am

Meh. Pyromancy is what I mainly did. I rarely used my halberd against you. You rarely did hit me with that thing, though. But, alas, I have 20 vitality, so only 950 hp. And thus, it doesn't take much to kill me. You won two or three rounds with the sword, though.

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Post by Federally Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:11 am

Well that's because the sprinting sword attack is good at nailing the fast movers.

But on topic, Bkh = epic

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Post by cloudyeki Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:20 am

I never liked the bkh's r2s. They're far too... confining if that makes sense. With the Scythe and G.Halberd you can be creative with the r2s. Not to mention the 2hr2s can really save your *** and stagger the guy going for your *** at the same time.

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Post by JoeBroski09 Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:24 am

cloudyeki wrote:I never liked the bkh's r2s. They're far too... confining if that makes sense. With the Scythe and G.Halberd you can be creative with the r2s. Not to mention the 2hr2s can really save your *** and stagger the guy going for your *** at the same time.

If they have 70+ poise, it doesn't stagger them... Plus, they can bs you while you're in the middle of it. Pretty much useless in the burg.

UNLESS! You lock off first and do a "pivot" 360 degree attack. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm guessing that's what was missing.

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Post by roanispe Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:17 am

I recently tried out Dead-Angling with the Gargberg's 2hr2 and Billy-Bayonette's gracious help, and if you turn to face perpendicular to your opponent you get to bypass shields. Also, the roll attack does less damage than the normal r1. I'd use it sparingly, but it can be quite effective as a surprise hit. Also, remember to block cancel all your whiffs as shown in this video until 2:50.

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The Black Knight Halberd and the Gargberg share a lot in common, and the real difference between them I believe are the r2's and whether or not they are worth the extra 8.0 weight. (Having used both, I have a sneaking suspicion that they posses the same range.) The Black Knigh Halberd's 1hr2 is woefully bad at tracking and lacks the ability to change directions once that first phantom swing starts. Against experienced PvPers who know that the first strike doesn't actually hit anything, it is an invitation to be backstabbed. Comparatively, the Gargberg's 1hr2 is easily parried, but less inviting to BS. Neither is good really for PvP, but do possess a certain omph that brings style and fun to the game. The Black Knight Halberd 2hr2 has easily the most absurd phantom range of any attack I have ever used and seems to have a hit box that extends haphazardly along the short distance you run. Although very inviting to Backstabs, it is also a prime target for a Crystal Soul Spear and I have gotten at 2-3 arrows into the user depending on whether or not I had my bow out. I cannot vouch for this weapon over the Gargberg on anything more than panache which is, admittedly, a very good reason to go with the BKH.

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Post by Federally Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:22 am

You have to be cautious with the 2HR2 I'll agree, and I would never use it in a duel, but I've gotten several awesome victories with it during "in the wild" PvP. And you just look so *** awesome doing it, lol.

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