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    Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by lordgodofhell on Fri May 18, 2012 8:21 pm

    Hey souls forum Lordgod here with a quick PSA..

    I have spent hours reading the topics you guys have posted and have found some incredible diamonds in the rough early on in my play experience. The stats not found in the guide book some of you have crunched have been instrumental in my decision of what to outfit my chars with and I thank you.

    Some of you post the funniest topics that I get a honest kick out of. Im also grateful for that.

    What this thread is about however, is the crying, whining, and hatred some of you display so freely on others topics about players you encounter.

    This is the meta game guys several patches in. I for one don't believe in these terms I hear, griefer, spammer, BS fisher, TWOP cheeser or whatever. The list goes on.

    The developers put all these things in the game. DWGR, all that stuff, is a part of the game.

    All Im saying is the next time you get owned by an invader, don't post pages on it saying they "cheat" or use horrible tactics. Horrible tactics is a subjective concept and if the point is to win than there are none. As far as honor goes, the servers link up people of completely different SL quite often so bowing can actually give one time to come up with a better strategy depsite them already being several times stronger than you. This added time could be argued as a form of cheesing. or being noob to use.

    Every mode of offense has a great defense to it in this game which is what I love. Example:

    I was killing Hydra in the Basin 2 days ago and get invaded by SoV. The Hydra crushed one of the golems halfway into the ground where it remained alive and stuck. Happened to anyone??

    Anywho, by the time he gets there I am fighting the Golden golem (SL 18) and he TWOPS. Now instead of crying TWOP TWOP I simply flip over to him and jump attack towards him with Claymore. He dies in 2 hits. I love how TWOP slows running but attack animations are the same
    8)

    What I would recommend for players who may be new to the game and having trouble getting past some the time proven "auto kill" strategies is to use and become familiar with whatever it is that seems to kill you every time. It helped me out back in November when things were ALOT more "unfair" than they are now.

    If TWOP owns you, learn the range of it and attack furiously the moment you see them bending down.

    If BS owns you, carry a WOG for them, or consider swinging a wide arc weapon like Zweihander.

    If WOG owns you, learn how to time your rolls. It can be dodged even if you roll towards them while they do it.

    If tankers seem impossible to kill, Range the slow guys with magic, pyro, miracles etc. Or a Demon spear. If they are fast tankers, Parry the silly bastard and his slow swinging zweihander, greatsword they love to carry with them.

    If 3v1 owns you, stop invading the forest lol.

    Play as a hollow until you get the gear to compete in PVP if none of this works. "But i don't want to hollow Lordgod!" Well than learn to parry with Hornet lightning Claymore +5 and never lose.

    Ou of all the PVP opponents I face, parrying is used the LEAST by far. No one really seems to expect it most times. Also consider kicking the **** out of the tankers Crsytal shield or whatever. One kick followed up by an immediate big attack should knock the shield clear out of the way. Keep that Endurance up!

    Everyone can be beat, noobs, pros, and all in between. The key is knowing their weakness, creating a VERSATILE character, and practice.

    Peace!
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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by callipygias on Fri May 18, 2012 8:32 pm

    +1. Fantastic post, op. Courageous too, considering. Title needs work but if it'd fit I'd put the whole post in my sig line.


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Yarxov on Fri May 18, 2012 8:33 pm

    Haters gonna hate.

    I am guilty of this hate, not because I can't counter it, just because its wrong.


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Kaminari on Fri May 18, 2012 8:35 pm

    not to be a douche but you leaved out something that I myself see as a HUUUGE problem...the "griefers"

    You gaved example how to beat alot of this, however, I agree with the most, but how should you handle the "greifer" (People that is having like 1000 health, and you will make about 10 damage at them with a strong attack and they will one hit kill you) in the burg, if you want to do co op?

    Those people, are simply ruining the game..at least my opinion.

    Oh, This is not a post of ill will towards you, Im just curious if you have a way around this as well.


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Yarxov on Fri May 18, 2012 8:39 pm

    ^He's going after the hate, not the counters, there are strategies against them, usually just being a good player (most greifers min/max for a reason)


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Fri May 18, 2012 8:40 pm

    bleed weapon like bk and the jagged ghost blade work well, the second especially cause of its high base damage.


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Yarxov on Fri May 18, 2012 8:42 pm

    ^Ghost blade isnt as fast though, bleed is a good idea, however, you would need to bleed a dedicated min/maxer (2500hp) 8 times, when they have 105 armor bleed, + personal resistance (varies by level)
    so, not easy.


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri May 18, 2012 8:45 pm

    I'd agree with some of these points and disagree with others to be honest.

    Though I wholeheartedly agree that personally I'd rather see less threads moaning about what happened to people and also less threads where people stroke their egos, it gets old sometimes guys, honestly.

    Also whats a PSA?


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Rynn on Fri May 18, 2012 8:48 pm

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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri May 18, 2012 8:49 pm

    Thanks rynn winking


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Fri May 18, 2012 8:52 pm

    my suggestions for bleed weapon was for burg lvl 20 something griefer as at most they'll have 1000 hp which is 3 or 4 bleeds and with the damage from the weapon... that should suffice, though it requires a lot of dodging...


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by lordgodofhell on Fri May 18, 2012 8:59 pm

    Kaminari wrote:not to be a douche but you leaved out something that I myself see as a HUUUGE problem...the "griefers"

    You gaved example how to beat alot of this, however, I agree with the most, but how should you handle the "greifer" (People that is having like 1000 health, and you will make about 10 damage at them with a strong attack and they will one hit kill you) in the burg, if you want to do co op?

    Those people, are simply ruining the game..at least my opinion.

    Oh, This is not a post of ill will towards you, Im just curious if you have a way around this as well.



    Thanks for the no ill will disclaimer happy happy happy


    The guys are giving alot of viable solutions to deal with griefers. Im sure serious probably has old threads on this topic in detail (of course thats just me assuming)

    Parry...this is an instrumental part of the game that From created to stop over powered attacks before they destroy you. Not everything can be parried but most can and anything that can't is slow enough to dodge easily.

    @ Serious, I know right! as a mod/admin (not sure the difference) Im sure you get tired of reading the crap. I don't read it but it still comes up in threads where the topic has nothing to do with people stroking their egos/ complaining yet it still happens. I am not complaining about complaining, only stating if these people focused all that strong pure hatred energy on getting good at the game, they probably wouldn't get owned by griefers.


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Kaminari on Fri May 18, 2012 9:07 pm

    well allright, still though, if you play the game without BB glitch Like I do, I'm pretty sure you don't have bleed weapons if you ain't a thief..

    anywy, I'm not the kind of player that is writing up my every lose to people, playing in a way that I say is just sad, however, I simply won't say it's allright either. But I just hold the most of it to myself,

    At least I think I do....

    But when I see three person stand next to a RSS spawn point, and spams WOTG at you, or bow, and you bow back and they go backstab you and one hit kill you,

    Well, as said, I'm not gonna complain about it here, making a thread about it,
    But I'm just telling it this time here, that MY opinion, in this behaviour, is basically,

    Think back to the wild west, gun duel, person1 says "on three", they turn their backs at each other, and starts to walk..

    One.........Two BANG! person 1 shot person 2 while person 2 had his back towards person one.
    But what annoys me the most is the people that is ruining the game for the newcommers...

    hmh, sorry, this post got really negative, Im just kinda typing off my thoughts...
    The thread idea is great though, its just a bad thing to make a thread just becase you want to hate :/


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Yarxov on Fri May 18, 2012 9:11 pm

    TWOP hate is really extensive, I'll be in an honorable looking duel, we both bow and buff, I cast Replenishment only to get interrupted because (Atleast I hope) they assumed I was casting TWOP.


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri May 18, 2012 9:13 pm

    lordgodofhell wrote: Serious, I know right! as a mod/admin (not sure the difference) Im sure you get tired of reading the crap.

    wowowow.... slow down I'm not an admin, by any stretch of the imagination here silly They have blue or red names depending on whether they are a mod or admin respectively, I just have a different title because I post too much lol!

    But yeah, that's also true, I guess people get too excited/mad when something unusual happens for them?


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Yarxov on Fri May 18, 2012 9:14 pm

    Most people take your word as law though so youre like an unordained admin silly


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri May 18, 2012 9:16 pm

    well... I'm not sure that would always be wise, but thats a rather nice compliment, thank you silly

    Still though, unordained mod? I think the mod team are perfectly capable honestly lol! If the time arose when I could be I would take it on, but right now I know it's not gonna happen.

    But yes, back on topic and not about me...


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Yarxov on Fri May 18, 2012 9:17 pm

    They are lol but you are more aggressive Opinionated and dont have to be as polite and professional as them silly


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Carphil on Fri May 18, 2012 9:20 pm

    What about this:

    I invade dude with two phantoms. I kill the two phantoms. I parry and riposte the dude, he run away and when I attack him, he disconects

    This one I can hate, please?


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri May 18, 2012 9:20 pm

    I'M NOT AGGRESSIVE!!! twisted

    serious_muchly though, I'm not aggressive, I never am (at least I don't mean to be), maybe opinionated is a better way of putting it.. But yes, having to not sit on the fence and be able to speak your mind is a positive freedom of being a regular guy happy

    again though, this thread isn't about me, lets move on. silly


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Kaminari on Fri May 18, 2012 9:22 pm

    @carphill: I would say, hate all you want, just don't make a thread about that, since it happens aaaallll the time happy


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Yarxov on Fri May 18, 2012 9:23 pm

    @ Serious lol ok fixed the wording.

    @Carphil Yes. Yes you can.


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri May 18, 2012 9:24 pm

    Car, I think that is one of the few things that is just to get annoyed about, thats not simply taking advantage, it's something outside the game itself so it is actually unjust.

    and lol yarxov, it looks like I made you change it :shock:


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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by lordgodofhell on Fri May 18, 2012 9:30 pm


    Oh so guys like emergence have that diff color name for that reason... it all makes so much sense now lol.

    Serious my bad I thought you were lol. Well in my opinion you post some of the most helpful threads so you've been sort of a leader here in my mind at least.

    Umm, some of you guys are borderlining on the hate on my thread I would ask you not to do this. Like....C'mon this thread is about stopping that. By doing what? Practicing or any of the things I have listed as viable options.

    Someone said something about disconnecting players. I was going to create a thread on that as well honestly. It has happened to me a bunch of times (everyday I play it happens). I know it isn't a connection fart because it usually happens after they've healed twice and are still about to die. I don't get mad if they disconnect and neither should you.

    Look at it this way. You were soooooo awesomely powerful that you actually forced a guy to get off his *** and manually shut off his system via the power switch!!! That my friend is true victory....




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    Re: Stop the Hate Please!

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri May 18, 2012 9:34 pm

    lordgodofhell wrote:Serious my bad I thought you were lol. Well in my opinion you post some of the most helpful threads so you've been sort of a leader here in my mind at least.

    I feel so special today, everyones being rather kind, though my head is probably double it's normal size...

    That's a good way of putting it (being so powerful), though we were just discussing the hypothetical of whether it is something you could feel aggrieved about, and well to be fair it's low, though thats one of the things people complain less about, usually as you know it's 3v1s or the like.


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