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    Humanity should have been more important

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:43 pm

    So we all know what humanity is and the various uses and ways to get it. I really feel that for such a vital item humanity, or the dark souls, does not have much of a purpose.

    It's primary purpose is to basically say, "Ok, I'm willing to play multiplayer right now." Which is an important reason to have humanity as it will allow you to summon players to your world to fight beside you, but this also comes with the danger of being invaded, which is fine. But most players don't mind going solo, and you will collect enough humanity that if you are ever in a situation that you want to make a summon you can easily go human nearby and run and grab a summon then challenge the boss.

    There simply seems to be a lack of importance behind humanity. There really isn't a good reason to have humanity even be a stacking feature where you can have more than one, because beyond being human it really isn't that important.

    I feel as though From dropped the ball in making human form a much more powerful thing, something that you would be kicking yourself about losing your scrambling to get. Humanity in my opinion should have had more of a purpose that would really incentivize the player to use it and stay human.

    It just would add a little more depth with the fact that humanity is actually worth something. I personally would have loved to see two possible things: needing to be human for pyromancy, sorcerery, or miracles, and needing to be human to interact with any NPCs.

    If it was more plentiful, but really necessary for things such as those it would just be much more interesting. As it is right now once in awhile I'll look up at my humanity and see I have six or seven and think, "I hope I don't lose that," as an afterthought and then after I die twice I don't even notice.

    Making it necessary to talk and use spells would just be interesting. Starting classes would probably need to start with a little extra humanity lying around here and there, and sorcerers, clerics and pyromancers would probably have to start with a little extra, but I think it would be very cool.


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    Re: Humanity should have been more important

    Post by Knavery on Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:50 pm

    You also need it to kindle bonfires. IMO, that is a pretty important reason to have it. Of course, it doesn't become an issue on subsequent play throughs. I'm not sure I'd like what you're suggesting. It would just make an already hard game a pain in the ***. That's just my opinion though. happy
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    Re: Humanity should have been more important

    Post by Argetlam350 on Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:53 pm

    Humanity is used more then just multiplayer.

    You need it to rank up in certain covenants (Darkwraiths and Chaos Servants).

    Humanity affects the damage of weapons and spells that do "Chaos" damage. Maximum at 10 Humanity.

    Humanity increases the player's Physical and Elemental Defenses (not Bleed and Poison Resistance), similar to leveling up.Humanity increases the player's resistance to being cursed. Maximum at 30 Humanity.

    Humanity also increases the player's Item Discovery rate. Maximum at 10 Humanity.



    Granted yes it could of been implemented more into the game but I'm just saying it has more uses then multiplayer.


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    Re: Humanity should have been more important

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:08 pm

    Argetlam350 wrote:Humanity is used more then just multiplayer.

    You need it to rank up in certain covenants (Darkwraiths and Chaos Servants).

    Humanity affects the damage of weapons and spells that do "Chaos" damage. Maximum at 10 Humanity.

    Humanity
    increases the player's Physical and Elemental Defenses (not Bleed and
    Poison Resistance), similar to leveling up.Humanity increases the
    player's resistance to being cursed. Maximum at 30 Humanity.

    Humanity also increases the player's Item Discovery rate. Maximum at 10 Humanity.



    Granted yes it could of been implemented more into the game but I'm just saying it has more uses then multiplayer.

    I know, I just didn't mention them because in the scheme of the game they are quite minor due to the increased defense being taken out in a patch, anyone who plays PvP being able to easily make enough humanity to rank up in covenants and it has no real reason so you might as well, how few chaos weapons are used, and how much less efficient it is to use humanity to increase discovery rate when there is the covetous serpent ring and the sign of avarice.

    I was focusing more on things that one would notice whenever they were playing. The other things are side thoughts that sometimes come up under specific circumstances.

    Knavery wrote:You also need it to kindle bonfires. IMO, that is a pretty important reason to have it. Of course, it doesn't become an issue on subsequent play throughs. I'm not sure I'd like what you're suggesting. It would just make an already hard game a pain in the ***. That's just my opinion though. happy

    The amount of humanity needed to kindle bonfires and how easy it is to collect make its use for kindling a non-item I feel. In addition, one can easily make it through the game without kindling, that's what I did my first play through.

    And although it is already hard, having humanity for magic or to talk to NPCs wouldn't necessarily make it an entire pain. For your first playthrough it might be more advantageous to go with a melee character since you woudn't be guaranteed to be able to use magic and you might miss a few NPCs, but neither magic nor any of the NPCs are necessary to beat the game.


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    Re: Humanity should have been more important

    Post by Railage on Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:30 pm

    I mainly use Chaos Weapons.


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    Re: Humanity should have been more important

    Post by Extertionist on Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:41 pm

    Not to mention it's a good substitution to estus flasks should you lack the ability to use them. Humanity is literally the most useful thing in dark souls. The only thing I could see that would make humanity more useful is if there was a covenant that specialized in hunting undead.


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    Re: Humanity should have been more important

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:44 pm

    My purpose of saying humanity should be more useful is not saying that it is not useful. More that for those who have completed the game or a strong grasp on it humanity quickly becomes irrelevant as you become adept at PvE. Features such as those I mentioned would make it retain its relevance.


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    Re: Humanity should have been more important

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:57 pm

    its pretty darn important lol

    99humanity gives you almost a full armor set worth of defense
    kindling bonfires
    leveling up in covenants
    hp restoration
    online play

    i cant think of any other item that is as useful.
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    Re: Humanity should have been more important

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:59 pm

    Yeah It should be better, nevermind the item find chance or the huge defense bonus when you get large amounts, nevermind increasing the amount of euestus you recieve, nevermind the entire class of weapons that scale off of it, it should be more powerful and do more.

    Thats the 4th thread I've seen you post like this, and I name you Troll and will have no further interaction with you.

    Seriously, on ignore list, sending me messages accomplishes nothing.


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    Re: Humanity should have been more important

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:06 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:Yeah It should be better, nevermind the item find chance or the huge defense bonus when you get large amounts, nevermind increasing the amount of euestus you recieve, nevermind the entire class of weapons that scale off of it, it should be more powerful and do more.

    Thats the 4th thread I've seen you post like this, and I name you Troll and will have no further interaction with you.


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    Re: Humanity should have been more important

    Post by SlakeMoth on Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:51 pm

    Humanity is just one of a number of things that From has put in the game to make it more demanding. If you don't PvP which I don't, then you have to farm for it in areas like the Depths which I admit is a bit of a pain but it is a necessary evil as far as I'm concerned. I just wish I could pick up more.

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