Low-level BB glitch griefers aren't the worst

I'm not kidding, really.
The BB glith griefers may be a bunch of a**holes but you still have a chance to beat them via BS but the Darkmoons man... the darkmoons

I know they can invade lower levels but I didn't know there was NO limit, I started a new toon today, as soon as I turn human at the burg's bonfire I get invaded, the guy is a darkmoon.
At first I don't see him so I'm waiting (I didn't think he could be high SL at the moment), then he arrives and stop on the bridge (the one where the hollow soldiers throws firebombs), he's not doing anything, just waiting there shield raised... that's when I understand is surely not low SL cuz he had Havel's set + a greatsword and what looked like a dragonslayer bow.

Anyway, I go to the open space near the bonfire and the guy comes, he's flipping (High SL confirmed), the fight starts, I didn't level up, I'm SL 5 (Thief) but I used BB glitch cause it's a new toon so I got a +5 lightning shotel (And I don't use it to invade low sl, just to defend against grifers and going faster, when it's like your 20th character.. you know..).
I had Hornet's ring so I go for BSs, I Bs'd him twice for 700dmg and he still has like 1/3 of HP left.
He managed to get me stuck in a corner and killed me.

I came to the conclusion he must be at least SL 80+ because he has more than 40 vit, surely 40 end (to flip like that and still be able to put a combo with a great sword, it's a certainty) and had the str and dex required to wield his sword + bow.

I'm not complaining, I'm just thinking about the new players who could be invaded by those guys and don't tell me "you need sins blah blah blah", I didn't committed any since, lol.
I just started this toon, didn't invade, didn't joined any covenant and I checked at oswald's after beating the gargoyles.

But, like I said, those guys are $%@& (Fill it with what you want).
They can invade without any SL limit, you're just starting a new game and here they come, they smash your head with OP weps and taunt you after.
And it's not a bug because then I got invaded in the Parish by another High SL darkmoon.

I know this topic is useless because ce can't do anything, I just wanted to let you know.

Actually you did sin, when you BB glitch the Sin from your previous character carries over, that is why you were able to be invaded by one. Yeah sometimes the Darkmoons can be jerks just like anyone else, I'd say more so it is just poor sportsman ship rather than griefing. It's a tough call on that one though, I can easily see both sides of this argument. I don't mind a Darkmoon praying after killing me, but taunting is always uncalled for.

Really ?
I didn't know the BB glitch does that too.

As for the taunting... I don't care about it, really, I'm used to it as a forest hunter.

Ah yes, I know the pain. Now the Forest Farmers, there's the lowest of the low in Dark Souls, I'd say lower down than Modders possibly. Again, tough call.

I do think the Darkmoon should stay out of such early areas since players will have no way of removing sin, as well they probably don't even understand the concept of it.

There is a limit, so far the biggest variance I've found is 57 levels on my SL 132 and 140, probably wearing the Ring of Favor and Protection.

So they just use BB glitch to level up as far as they can and then stay hollow with end game gear invading newbies?

Car you got wrong end of the stick

Griefers are still the worst, but frankly if you have sin from using the glitch then you deserve to get invaded by someone in my opinion, because that's who they're targeting, BB glitchers.

They aren't invading there to get regular players, they're there to get griefers who would have sin. I don't understand how you can call people who are trying to put off griefing bad. :|

I say it can definitely scare off new players that accidentally hit an NPC or killed someone since they don't entirely understand the mechanics, they might not be able to get to Oswald without the help of Summons so they are eternally *** by Darkmoons. I have no problem with them targeting the BB glitchers, but often they just blindly destroy anyone with Sin from what I've heard. I'm not saying Dark Wraiths don't have their issues as well, or hosts. I'm just saying, the community is in a pretty bad way right now.

Ah I unserstood now, as aways Serious saving my ***

So instead of BB glitchers low level red wraiths being the worst at burg, the OP says its darkmoons. I got it, I got it.

what if the persons a newbie who killed an npc or tried invading for the first time and got indicted for a lucky win?

They are the worst, No point playing online till Blightown these days.

Serious_Much wrote:Car you got wrong end of the stick

Griefers are still the worst, but frankly if you have sin from using the glitch then you deserve to get invaded by someone in my opinion, because that's who they're targeting, BB glitchers.

They aren't invading there to get regular players, they're there to get griefers who would have sin. I don't understand how you can call people who are trying to put off griefing bad. :|

They're not targeting BB glitchers.
I didn't have my shotel out when he invaded me, he saw me with the thief's starting gear and attacked me.

Why would I deserve to get incaded because I'm using a glitch that a lot of pvpers (including them) is using, I see this glitch as the "dupe glitch" from demon's (that everybody was using), it helps me making new build and testing things without having to re-do stuffs.

I'm not invading low-sl players, I don't deserve it.
And like I said, I'm not complaining, I was just thinking about how unfair it was for new players, yea now I know it was because of BB glitch but they could've killed a NPC (like the message just before the crestfallen warrior says :roll: ) or just invade via the cracked red eye orbs you can find in firelink shrine.

I have to agree, it makes it a lot faster to level up a new character and try a new build with it, saves quite a lot of time. I don't see the point of doing it just to 1HKO some new character though, kinda boring and pointless.

You're forgetting the way this game was made to be punishing, every action you take gets something for you. Sinning is invasion by darkmoon as a result of you sinning, that is within your control.

However being invaded by people who have glitched and have end game gear from using the glitch you can't control, because of that I think it's more unjust and is hence worse.

Tolvo wrote:I say it can definitely scare off new players that accidentally hit an NPC or killed someone since they don't entirely understand the mechanics, they might not be able to get to Oswald without the help of Summons so they are eternally *** by Darkmoons. I have no problem with them targeting the BB glitchers, but often they just blindly destroy anyone with Sin from what I've heard. I'm not saying Dark Wraiths don't have their issues as well, or hosts. I'm just saying, the community is in a pretty bad way right now.

Why wouldn't we destroy anyone with sin? Its not like we can tell how you've sinned and if we do use the blue eye orb its for pvp not just to mess around with other players games. Some people might use the covenant for it but thats essentially what Darkwraiths do.

I also agree with some previous posts, not necrobumping here I hope, but there are a large proportion of DM's who are total ****. On other toons I've been invaded by then but never outside my level range.

i just met a really nice dm, she invaded in the archives on my way to light the last bonfire, she sees me bows and i use prostration twice cause i haven't lit the bonfire yet... she sits a moment then black crystals out. yay!

I never understand debates like this. In my admittedly limited pvp experience I have come across some complete idiots in pretty much all the covenants, a whole lot more perfectly 'normal' average players, and a few legends who have been really helpful/honourable.

People who are outright cheating using mods or glitches are kinda lame, but personally I think all covenants are equal in terms of the 'signal to noise' ratio of morons vs cool people. Some covenants just happen to be more popular, so you see more of them in total, and thus encounter more idiots from that particular cov.

I agree Ze, as I mentioned in my post I just think the community is falling on hard times right now. All I was mentioning is that anyone who will obviously destroy a new player invading the world of new players can easily scare away a lot of new players, that was really all my argument was.

The worst thing ever is the forest camping i hate that guys but i cant care less i can manage myself for kill they 2 or 3 ppl alone and that feels great

Forest gankers aren't the worst lol
You got the forest to help you if they didn't completely cleaned it before, and often they're just the most "no-skilled" players I've ever seen.

Yeah well all covenants have their share of **** and every so often one will be singled out due to a bad experience some one has. I could go into my experiences with sunbros but I won't I like to one to help me with smough and ornstien each play through so its a 2v2 match.

Forest is aways nice all they do is hide and only show up when someone else invade

Seriously hosting in the forest is the worst thing you can do, after killing you with hornets ring backstab in a 3 vs 1 fight they use shrug or point down like if you were a giants armor mask of the mother farmer

Carphil wrote:Forest is aways nice all they do is hide and only show up when someone else invade

Seriously hosting in the forest is the worst thing you can do, after killing you with hornets ring backstab in a 3 vs 1 fight they use shrug or point down like if you were a giants armor mask of the mother farmer

3v1 in the forest ?

There can be only 2 invaders.
And farmers aren't only using that armor so, when a guy is waiting in the forest, I consider he is a farmer and I have no mercy.
Even if he bows, sometimes they bow, you bow in return and they BS you.

I didn't know you could get 3 hunters vs 1 host, I thought the hunters were limited to 2 at a time.

Same thing everyone else is saying though, every covenant has its sour apples. But I completely condone darkmoons bb invading in the burg, You say a red invader can be killed with a backstab but they really can't if you are a true beginnger and not BB glitching yourself. I can't manage more than 100 damage on any backstab before upgrading my weapon to +5 in the burg or parish, and by then whats the point? I wont be facing BB glitchers with maxed out havels anymore.

And there is an all round remedy for this if you dont want to play online then go hollow. Simple, you can't be griefed by Darkmoons or wraiths. and gravelords are pretty infrequent in the first 2 areas.

Gol wrote:

Carphil wrote:Forest is aways nice all they do is hide and only show up when someone else invade

Seriously hosting in the forest is the worst thing you can do, after killing you with hornets ring backstab in a 3 vs 1 fight they use shrug or point down like if you were a giants armor mask of the mother farmer

3v1 in the forest ?

There can be only 2 invaders.
And farmers aren't only using that armor so, when a guy is waiting in the forest, I consider he is a farmer and I have no mercy.
Even if he bows, sometimes they bow, you bow in return and they BS you.

Do you know how many darkwraiths are invading in the forest these days? 1 red wraith and 2 forest