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    Post by Mayerling on Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:47 pm

    Hey guys,

    I am not just a Dark Souls n00b, but a gaming n00b in general. I bought a PS3 recently on a whim after watching some Dark Souls on YouTube. So basically, I suck and I have no PSN friends. I'd like to do some PVP, but my only experience is with being invaded early in NG by elemental builds and WoG spammers and failing in about five seconds. It'd be jolly fun if anybody wants to add my PSN (Jejune-Ruin) and help me with the PVP learning curve? I know about bowing and buffing and no healing etc, but as a totally different fighting style, I don't really know where to begin. I just get lagstabbed and cry.

    I'm a SL120 dex build. I fought PVE with a +15 estoc and primarily through parrying. From what I read, both of these are pretty much redundant in PVP?

    Also, I still have Nito and all the Demon Ruins/Lost Izalith BS (have shortcut) in NG+ to eliminate before I can get back to the Kiln, which are easily my two least-loved parts of the game, so I'd rather just do it quickly and get to PVPing, if anybody fancies some co-op...
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    Re: I have no friends but Solaire...

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:52 pm

    I would love to help you with PvP. While I'm not the best, I do have a good foundation to teach you the basics. Send me a FR: reim0027_5 and we'll hook up.

    BTW, you'll make friends quickly with this game. Give it time, and send FR to people who really help you out, and people will be sending you FR too.

    Oh, welcome, BTW.


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    Post by User on Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:55 pm

    greetings, Mayerling. For some reason, your name reminds me of some alien creature.

    The Estoc is a good choice. It helps a lot, as the rapiers are one of the most diverse weapons in terms of combat. Able to act as a spear with your shield helps at times, and parrying is one of the qualities of Rapiers. They are designed for both the left and right hand, and the Estoc is unique in terms of acting as a Straight Sword at times. As they are thrust weapons, they also usually do more damage to heavy enemies, so knights and such become more so easier, as well as anything armored.

    Your weapon is good, your level is good, and your tactics are exceptionable as I read. Nito is not a problem if you know how to do it right. However I feel your pain in terms of the Witch's Domain. I can;t help you, but it might be advized that when fighting Nito standing right at him and dodging his lundges and sweeps when necessary helps a lot, as he hurts skeletons too. Not attracting Giant Skeletons also help.

    As for the fire pits of hell... The firesage is the most annoying at times as he usually likes flying away then casting a fire blast. Trying to stand beside him and behind him at the right times help, and dodging is better than blocking at times too. The Centipede having little to not weight (under 25%) and rolling over lava till you go onto the large land mass helps for better combat, although is not necessary. Following the roots of Izalith across the Lava Lakes usually helps past the Dragon Legs, and Light weight also helps with that Fire Tree in the end, the Bed of Chaos.

    I can not help you VIA physically, but i can give advice. Good luck to you.
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    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:55 pm

    Welcome, im sure you will fit in well around here. Check out the fight club in the pvp stickies, great way to practice pvp, meet new people(& kill them) and also great for watching how others do things(and stealing their ideas)

    Enjoy your stay.


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    Post by RANT on Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:57 pm

    you could always join the fight club, check the stickies on top, we all play fair you wont find any bs like in the kiln.


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    Post by reim0027 on Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:58 pm

    Yeah, fight club rocks. People are more concerned with having a enjoyable fight instead of winning. Don't get me wrong, we want to win, but it isn't the top priority.


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    Post by RANT on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:01 pm

    what reim said, that's why i was using a mace with slb last night and i won three fights.


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    Post by Mayerling on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:16 pm

    Thanks for the welcome guys, what a very friendly forum you are happy

    Reim, cheers man, that’d be awesome. I’ll be sure to add you tomorrow at some point, since I’m about to go to sleep right now.

    Acidic Cook, thanks for the advice! Mayerling does sound pretty alien...although it is actually a ballet about a murder-suicide in a ski lodge, hah. It’s pretty much my default forum name because it’s never really taken. Not so Dark Souls appropriate, but I didn’t really think about that until now. I’m really glad to hear that people do use my beloved estoc in ‘proper’ PVP - I’d only read people complain about estoc users being backstab fishers. People really seem to love the great scythe for my build, but I just generally dislike the big, slow weapons. Fought the catacombs first time with a divine halberd and kept forgetting that I couldn’t get a hit in on enemies first, or that I could have taken advantage of hitting loads at once. I don’t actually have a problem with Nito and the Chaos creatures (well, yeah, less so the later, I freaking hate that centipede)...I’m just feeling a bit lazy, hah.

    Fight Club sounds great, I’ll definitely follow through on that but I’d like to have just a fewww other battles before, because right now it would literally be like...bow...buff…death scream. Not much fun for anybody!

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    Post by User on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:19 pm

    No problem. Of course the backstabbing of the Estoc is ridiculous, as their is no critical benefit compared to weapons such as the normal rapier and daggers (the Mail Breaker is the split of the two, dagger and rapier). Estoc does seem utterly ridiculous to criticize on backstabs, in my opinion. Only bonus is from the Hornet Ring, which all weapons that can riposte or backstab can benefit from.

    I hope the info helps. Good luck to you.
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    Post by RANT on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:23 pm

    estoc has the second best crit, the rapier beign the best. and i think people dont complain about the crit, its more about people fishing for bs.


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    Post by User on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:27 pm

    the Estoc's Critical is 100. The Rapier 110. The Mail breaker 120.

    Not only does knowledge support me, but also the wiki as well:
    http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Weapons#Piercing Swords

    But anyways, it is not important. Whatever weapon you use is what you should depend on, IF you feel comfortable with it. It is not good to use a weapon you do not feel with, even worse if you do not understand it. Hope you prosper with such a weapon.
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    Post by Mayerling on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:32 pm

    Crit damage is for parries and backstabs, right? So, perhaps I've understood this wrong, but I read that because of how hard/unreliable parrying is in PVP, estoc users tend to just fish for backstabs like crazy and have few other options because apparently the other damage can't hold up to other weapons? That's just the impression I got from reading some posts on GameFAQs or somewhere a while back, that it was basically a PVE weapon, and I just haven't seen it used that much when I've watched any PVP on YouTube. But I just think it's nifty, I like the moveset and it looks sexy.

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    Post by User on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:36 pm

    Well my friend, the opinion of others is mostly secondary, including mine. Your opinion of what you should do is the primary.

    For example, many say that the grant or the Large Club are ideal candidates of great Hammers. I, however, use the hammer of the Asylum Demon, for i love how it functions and what it is compared to all other weapons, and no other factor. So if you love the Estoc, you should use it. i have used it, and it is a good sword compared to most.

    As for those who abuse it, it is not the weapons fault entirely, but mostly the users of the sword, the handler, mostly. I have parried enemies online before. Although hard in times of time differences due to lag, but I have done it 3 times in invasions and being invaded. Hard, but due able once you understand how.
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    Post by RANT on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:38 pm

    i dont remember who did testing on this but they put up their finding and rapier is the best and ectoc is second, this is for heavy armor of course and b knife is the best against light armor like leather and stuff.


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    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:43 pm

    do you use buffs with your estoc? if not do so if you feel you aren't dealing enough damage. what arew your stats? dex with int or faith or no magic stat? if no magic stat try pyromancy which has one body buff spell (power within) that boosts dng by 40% but saps health also allowing you to apply resin to your blade.


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    Post by Toastfacekillah on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:43 pm

    Mayerling wrote: People really seem to love the great scythe for my build, but I just generally dislike the big, slow weapons.

    Don't write off the Great Scythe just yet - A fully upgraded Chaos/Elemental GS is deadly to keep in your left hand when dual-wielding. You get a partial block with L1 and massive circular swing with L2 which is excellent at hitting bs fishers and keeping them off your back.


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    Post by User on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:44 pm

    In that factor, yes. However with criticals, as I have tried both mail breaker and Estoc, both rival each other in terms of +14. Although the Mail Breaker is terrible with normal combat, it does a crap load with counters and such than the Estoc. Even more so having the Hornet Ring causes it to surpass the Estoc by a load, making it the Anti-Heavy Dagger that Rivals the Bandit Knife.

    It is just what i have found, while experimenting. That was hell.
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    Post by russiannightmare on Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:59 am

    the estoc can be effective in pvp I have gone up against several ppl using them over the past few days and they give me fits. I like to use an Iaito and fury blade neither are good for guard breaking and the estoc user can poke away from behind their shield. If your looking for massive damage then no the estoc is not the weapon for you but if you enjoy the safety of your shield than its not a bad choice.
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    Post by LOLRagezzz on Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:50 am

    Don't turtle, it's lame.


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    Post by Pargar-theGreat on Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:48 pm

    HEy also Mayerling whats your covenant in which you joined? Invading as say a darkwraith is a fun and an easy way to pracitice pvp without losing much, other than time.


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    Post by reim0027 on Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:05 pm

    Estocs can be great for PvP. You don't have to turtle with them. They are quick, you can go in for quick stabs and then roll away. They use very little endurance too.


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    Post by Mayerling on Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:21 pm

    Acidic_Cook wrote:Well my friend, the opinion of others is mostly secondary, including mine. Your opinion of what you should do is the primary.

    Well, indeed. Came for the Dark Souls, stayed for the good advice!

    sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:do you use buffs with your estoc? if not
    do so if you feel you aren't dealing enough damage. what arew your
    stats? dex with int or faith or no magic stat? if no magic stat try
    pyromancy which has one body buff spell (power within) that boosts dng
    by 40% but saps health also allowing you to apply resin to your
    blade.

    I haven't raised any magic stats - I've never so much as equipped the pyro hand or catalyst. Partly because, as I say, I'm pretty new to gaming and it felt like an overload, and partly because the melee system in Dark Souls is so nice that I wanted to use it to the full extent. I don't know, magic and pyro just felt a bit cheap to me. I've bought some Charcoal Pine Resin for PVP, but I haven't used it yet, will be sure to try it out.

    This isn't my final PVP build, just my original character which is the only one I took to 120. Because of that, I did some pretty dumb stuff early on in the game, like raising my resistance a little. From a Warrior, I ended up with:

    Vitality: 50
    Attunement: 10
    Endurance: 40
    Strength: 20
    Dexterity: 47
    Resistance: 14
    Intelligence: 9
    Faith: 12

    Doing it again, I wouldn't have raised my strength past 16, my faith, or resistance. So that'd give me, what another ten levels to put in somewhere. I guess I'll just work with this for now, though.

    Toastfacekillah wrote:Don't write off the Great Scythe just yet - A
    fully upgraded Chaos/Elemental GS is deadly to keep in your left hand
    when dual-wielding. You get a partial block with L1 and massive circular
    swing with L2 which is excellent at hitting bs fishers and keeping them
    off your back.

    Now, that does sound pretty awesome. I reckon this is what I'm going to do, thanks! Is there a special reason for going elemental, or should I put it to +15 so as not to lose the dex bonus?

    Pargar-theGreat wrote:HEy also Mayerling whats your covenant in which
    you joined? Invading as say a darkwraith is a fun and an easy way to
    pracitice pvp without losing much, other than time.

    I'm in the Chaos Servants right now just for the shortcuts, but I wasn't sure what to do after that. Darkwraiths would be a good option, but I have no Kaathe for this playthrough...stupid, I know, wasn't thinking. There's no other way to join now, is there? Also, would the RSS be more reliable for duels? I've only ever really used covenants so far for my level 20 sunbro to help out newbies in the Parish. That is one of the reasons I'd like to get better at PVP....to give the griefers there and in the Forest what's coming to them winking

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    Yeah, I'm not a turtle, I barely use my shield really because I tend to oarry and flip, so none of that is really an issue for me. I'm not sure what to do about my armour, though. Right now I'm just wearing the Black Leather gear +9 and Gwyndolin's hat, because I thought it looked cool and since the PVE idea was basically to just not get hit anyway...
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    Post by Toastfacekillah on Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:23 pm

    [quote="Mayerling"]
    Acidic_Cook wrote:
    Toastfacekillah wrote:Don't write off the Great Scythe just yet - A
    fully upgraded Chaos/Elemental GS is deadly to keep in your left hand
    when dual-wielding. You get a partial block with L1 and massive circular
    swing with L2 which is excellent at hitting bs fishers and keeping them
    off your back.
    Is there a special reason for going elemental, or should I put it to +15 so as not to lose the dex bonus?

    Only that you're using it in your LH so you won't be able to buff it with anything. I found that Chaos +5 (with 10 humanity) out performs other elementals and +15 (in the LH). If you've any intention of using it in your RH then you may want to make it +15, but you mentioned you weren't really into slower weapons.


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    Re: I have no friends but Solaire...

    Post by Carphil on Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:57 pm

    "I have no friends but Solaire"

    Exacly how I felt in my first playthrough. Messed up leveling too much, could not play online, Solaire helped me beat most bosses, even Gwyn. He was my first Dark Souls friend big grin



    Rapiers are very quick and effective at PVP, you may find out they don't hit hard but that's the idea, you hit multiple times and don't get hit. I use one Enchanced Estoc in my mage and I have to say I love it, the moveset is very good, those slice moves really help because its a feature that other rapiers don't have.


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