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    Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by reim0027 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:57 pm

    I've kept a log of the average SL of hosts I've invaded with my SL 6. I've got half of the list done. It is still a work in progress. This may help you decide on what SL to be on as an invader or sunbro. Obviously, there are flaws, since I can only list the SL of the hosts I've defeated, so the average SL will likely be higher than my list.

    Here they are, in order of lowest to highest (via average):

    Undead Burg: 11:
    Average = 11, median = 10, n = 17, range = 6-25
    Outlier = 100
    Solaire's Bonfire: 16:
    Average = 16, median = 16, n = 20, range = 8-25
    Outlier = none
    Parish: 17:
    Average = 17, median = 17, n = 19, range = 9-29
    Outlier = none
    Lower Undead Burg: 27:
    Average = 27, median = 25, n = 18, range = 19-45
    Outlier = 104
    Depths: 29:
    Average = 29, median = 28, n = 19, range = 8-54
    Outlier = none
    Darkroot Garden/Basin: 32:
    Average = 32, median = 28, n = 37, range = 6-72
    Outliers = 108, 120, 120, 413
    Catacombs: 34:
    Average = 34, median = 31, n = 14, range = 10-58
    Outliers = 87, 97, 140
    Blighttown: 37:
    Average = 37, median = 40, n = 19, range = 20-47
    Outliers = 7, 121, 147
    Sen's: 41:
    Average = 41, median = 42, n = 40, range = 23-72
    Outlier = none
    Anor Londo: 48:
    Average = 48, median = 47, n = 78, range = 10-125
    Outlier = none
    Duke's: 63:
    Average = 63, median = 67, n = 16, range = 20-95
    Outliers = 11, 11, 150, 166
    New Londo Ruins: 65:
    Average = 65, median = 54, n = 18, range = 22-152
    Outliers = 13, 207
    Demon's Ruins: 70:
    Average = 70, median = 67, n = 19, range = 25-114
    Outliers = 11, 159
    Painted World: 71:
    Average = 71, median = 65, n = 43, range = 10-191
    Outlier = none
    Tomb of the Giants: 79:
    Average = 79, median = 73, n = 37, range = 33-140
    Outliers = 14, 18, 208, 709
    Lost Izalith: 86:
    Average = 86, median = 89, n = 20, range = 53-126
    Outlier = none


    notes:


    • I did 20 host kills per invasion site. But, unfortunately, I forgot to collect some of the souls collected.
    • n=total number minus the outliers. Average and median do not reflect the outliers.
    • outliers were just a guess by me.
    • I have the spreadsheet saved on my computer. It is ugly as hell, but if you want the raw data, let me know.
    • These reflect only the souls of the hosts I killed (plus an occasional phantom that I actually remembered the number). Being a SL 6 means I died a lot more to higher level hosts, so the numbers are probably skewed lower than the actual amount.
    • Average SL killed, across the board = 53

    I hope this helps you guys out.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by Rifter7 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:11 pm

    can we see a mode and the runner ups?


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by befowler on Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:47 pm

    Very helpful reim, thanks! I am particularly interested in the Catacombs; of all the areas in the game I seem to get summoned there the easiest regardless of my level. Some folks seem to head there right after the Asylum, and others don't bother until after Anor Londo/PW or even later. Just a lot of fun.


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    Post by Emergence on Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:12 pm

    Sen's more clustered range is particularly telling. It's definitely the bottleneck that people just want to get out of the way.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by Myztyrio on Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:54 pm

    This is very interesting.

    So what would you say the optimal level is to get a good majority of people within invasion range, while still being as high of a level as possible?


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by reim0027 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:29 am

    Rif - I can upload the entire spreadsheet. It it ugly. I haven't formatted it, but it has all the numbers.

    Myz - not sure. There is a large range here. But, I assume that the list is biased higher. While I don't know the SL of the people I lost to, I have to assume they are usually a higher SL than me. If you take the median, that means 50% of the people were higher than it. Maybe use the lowest (either mean or median) and go a few points under that?


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:59 am

    Finished PW. Updated stats median stayed the same, average went up slightly.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by Myztyrio on Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:53 pm

    I have an SL20 build, but they're likely to get destroyed by most in their current condition. All I have at my disposal is a 2h GLS and a Ghost Blade for crits. I'll feel like I'm cheaping out if I go chaos on that build.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:23 pm

    Myztyrio wrote:I have an SL20 build, but they're likely to get destroyed by most in their current condition. All I have at my disposal is a 2h GLS and a Ghost Blade for crits. I'll feel like I'm cheaping out if I go chaos on that build.
    Depends on where you are invading. At Anor and beyond, it is not cheap at all (look at the average host SL in those areas).


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by Myztyrio on Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:42 pm

    reim0027 wrote:
    Myztyrio wrote:I have an SL20 build, but they're likely to get destroyed by most in their current condition. All I have at my disposal is a 2h GLS and a Ghost Blade for crits. I'll feel like I'm cheaping out if I go chaos on that build.
    Depends on where you are invading. At Anor and beyond, it is not cheap at all (look at the average host SL in those areas).

    I've gotten b*tched at just for using ghost blade and hardly any armor in the Parish. And it was a 3v1. And I tried to prove to them that they could have easily had the exact same equipment as me at that point in the game, because they claimed I had "end game items."

    But if I were to make something, it'd probably be like a chaos rapier or lightning avelyn.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by Animaaal on Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:55 pm

    Thank you reim.

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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:40 pm

    @Myztyrio - that weapon is fair game. Fairly easy to get. If they are complaining about weapons they can get easily, well, that's their problem.


    Animaaal wrote:Thank you reim.

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    16 more kills at Dukes and I'll start over withe the low levels to get the final numbers. Then, I'll do the kiln.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:19 am

    Duke's is done

    Duke's Arhives (n=20)
    Average = 67, median = 67, range = 11-166 (next highest 150)

    Off to restart and get the earlier levels.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:08 am

    Well, I'm almost done cataloging. I'm at 604 host kills. I have the Catacombs left to do (36 kills left). I didn't do Ceaseless. There is no questing action. I got mostly failed invasions and the other invasions were campers waiting for duels or gankers. I also haven't done the kiln. That will be the last thing I do. Not looking forward to that one.

    When I get the Catacombs done, I'll post the final tally.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by wolfboy on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:19 am

    I'm curious about Lost Izalith... I don't think I've ever invaded there and I've always wanted to try... i realize it's a fairly out of the way area and kind of PITA- most of the time I just open the shortcut but I've always thought it would be an interesting place to PVP...
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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:27 am

    It is interesting. Not a good place for low vitality builds. You lose a lot of health in the lava.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by reim0027 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:43 am

    Ok. Finished the run. I am NOT doing the kiln. Way too annoying. Since I have to be human and, obviously, can't have beaten the boss, I'm open to invasions myself. Add on that that many invasions fail, and I have to reuse my eye over and over again. Not worth it.

    I also didn't do Ceaseless. It was dead. I only got a couple invasions and they were to gankers and to campers/organized duelers. Too many failed invasions.

    I did a major revision of the first post. It is as complete as I can make it. Let me know if you have any questions, see any errors, or have suggestions.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by befowler on Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:13 pm

    Very cool! I may have missed it somewhere, but did you also do the DLC areas?


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:34 am

    Hell no. I'm a base vitality elemental build. I'll be slaughtered.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by Animaaal on Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:56 am

    Both of my likes went to this thread tonight.

    This is an invaluable tool for anyone unable to organize regular co-op, or casual players looking for an up-to-date reference.

    I know that, "our experiences may vary" lol, but thank you so much for your documentation.

    This will be on of the threads I reference on a regular basis over the next few months as I play Dark Souls awaiting the sequel.

    If I had to bet, I 'd bet my co-op rate goes up at least 25% over the next 2-3 builds I make.

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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:57 am

    The best part of this list is knowing all those SL 200+ outliers died to a SL 6.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by Animaaal on Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:07 am

    Saturday-Saint wrote:The best part of this list is knowing all those SL 200+ outliers died to a SL 6.

    lol, where's my vote? lol
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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by Murkulanvippi on Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:43 am

    Reim has done everyone in here a huge favor by taking the time to do such a thorough investigation. It even makes this a bigger achievement that he did it with a sl6 toon. cheers My hat is off and a deep Proper Bow to you Reim.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:05 am

    You're welcome. It was a lot of fun, and easy to calculate the SL with: https://sites.google.com/site/darksoulstats/dark-souls-calculators/mini-calcs

    And, yeah, Sat - I loved seeing those mega high souls come in.


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    Re: Average SL of Hosts, by are: Final UPDATE

    Post by Sentiel on Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:24 am

    Animaaal wrote:
    Saturday-Saint wrote:The best part of this list is knowing all those SL 200+ outliers died to a SL 6.

    lol, where's my vote? lol
    Here you go. winking


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