The Elephant in the room; BB Glitching in DkSII

I'm sorry, but I'm going to be "That Guy".
Let's assume that the Bottomless Box makes a return; are we going to ban the use of it, if we use it SOLELY to figure out game mechanics?

We still don't know how Resistance works, it took us forever to figure out Kharmic Justice, Dex helps Spellcasters, and stuff like that. As a ganking tool, the BBG was atrocious, but you can't honestly tell me that it wouldn't make figuring out stats and stuff alot easier.
This could all be moot, as they want to make things more clear in DkSII, but I figured this would be a nice way to get a conversation going either way.
And guys, let's please keep this civilized.

Why would a very specific glitch return in a totally new system?

Buggy Virus wrote:Why would a very specific glitch return in a totally new system?

I suppose he means any kind of equivalent to the BB glitch or even something to make leveling up easier like the Dragon Head glitch.

ChizFreak wrote:

Buggy Virus wrote:Why would a very specific glitch return in a totally new system?

I suppose he means any kind of equivalent to the BB glitch or even something to make leveling up easier like the Dragon Head glitch.

Yes, that

Well. . . they should patch it then.

Of course they should patch it at some point. But I wasn't a part of this forum for the beginning of DkS' life, and from what I hear was that it was more than just frowned upon for using it. and using it to the Wiki's advantage before it is.

I hope there is one, and I hope they leave it this time. Or why not just have a shared stash like in games like Diablo?

There ought to be a way to easily make PvP builds, for those who enjoy PvPing with multiple builds. But it shouldn't be so easy to gank noobs; you should have to earn that privilege.

Im a huge fan of the BBglitch. Not everyone has lots of spare time to make builds, so for a middle class working man the BBglitch is perfect for creating builds. Sure it always gets heavily abused but that's another side of the story :')

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hageshisa wrote:Im a huge fan of the BBglitch. Not everyone has lots of spare time to make builds, so for a middle class working man the BBglitch is perfect for creating builds. Sure it always gets heavily abused but that's another side of the story :')

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This. Though as I said in another post the solution to this is to make PvE more interesting even for veteran players. We want to skip it because it's boring in the first place.

Absolutely ban it and patch it away at the very earliest opportunity.

Acarnatia wrote:Absolutely ban it and patch it away at the very earliest opportunity.

Go on.

They shouldn't ban people for using glitches, that's my universal opinion. If it's bad, patch the game.

I meant ban the glitch, no glitchers ._.

I hope there's an easy way to make pvp characters that doesn't trivialize pve. And I hope it's not a separate mode either. Maybe an npc or an altar or something that only shows up in NG+, or ++.and allows you to respec stats and perhaps weapon/armor upgrades.

Im totally against respeccing though! D: I like the old school feeling that the game have due to perma stats, like Diablo 2 and such.

And why are so many upset with BBglitch?

hageshisa wrote:Im totally against respeccing though! D: I like the old school feeling that the game have due to perma stats, like Diablo 2 and such.

And why are so many upset with BBglitch?

It helped a lot of people get way over powered at the lower levels and gank the living crap out of noobs or honest low-level players. You could use it to send everything from a prism stone to a great lord's soul to a new character.

Honestly if they did bring in something that made PvPing easier it would have to have some rules behind how it worked, since you don't want it to be easily exploited.
Basically what I'm thinking is that you beat the game once on one character who has all the items in the game. Then lets say you feel like making a new character just for PvP. All right then. You start the game but actually won't get any of the items right off the bat. You have to play the game for a short while and get to a certain point.
Then when you reach that certain point a special NPC comes along that lets you transfer items from your first save to the save you are playing. However it would only be weapons and armor that are transferable between the two. Then somehow by doing that the items would actually disappear from the save they came from so that you know that another one of your saves is using it. That's just my little idea behind it. Don't know how they would get it to work but just throwing it out there. A bit off topic from the point of the thread which is talking about the BB Glitch though.

morte wrote:

hageshisa wrote:Im totally against respeccing though! D: I like the old school feeling that the game have due to perma stats, like Diablo 2 and such.

And why are so many upset with BBglitch?

It helped a lot of people get way over powered at the lower levels and gank the living crap out of noobs or honest low-level players. You could use it to send everything from a prism stone to a great lord's soul to a new character.

I can totally buy that, but most people that PvE also 3v1 gank incoming reds without hesitation. Doesn't matter if it's a glitched character or not.Also, its not impossible to get all the griefing gear for a low level character anyway it's just easier with BBglitch. There is a reason for everything in this game, and people who absue will always do it just for fun. But the BBglitch can be a very helpfull tool if not used for super griefing. But putting that aside, most players in Dark Souls are griefers with or without the BBglitch.



And for Argetlam: Did you play Monster Hunter Freedom Unite? They used that kind of mechanic for save transfers from Monster Hunter Freedom 2. Don't know if it's suited for Dks though, but it's a good idea

the bb glitch wasnt such a bad thing i think, its not much difference in low lvl griefing now than it was at the bb glitch time. back then ppl spent hours getting stuff to bb glitch, to be OP at sl 1, ppl now do the same, the only difference is the time it takes. now they spend 1h getting the rss on their new toon, and trade items from their "high" sl to the new one.
i see alot of ppl on the forum here complaining about the bb glitch and OP low sls, but i often meet alot of forum member with the best possible weapons/gear the second i set my foot in burg on a new toon. so why the hate?? the bb glitch just made it easier for everyone to have the same gear as u do, at the same sl. everyone had the chance to make bb glitched chars, but not everyone have the opportunity to trade **** of stuff for their sl1. the way i see it, if u keep trading op gear to ur low sl's, u shouldnt talk about the bb glitch as a bad thing, cuz what u do is not any better

It's also game-breaking in terms of roleplaying. It defeats the entire point of having limited resources until near the end of the game, the need to farm, and it does present a huge speed advantage over players who prefer to play the game legitimately/as it is meant to be.

Acarnatia wrote:It's also game-breaking in terms of roleplaying. It defeats the entire point of having limited resources until near the end of the game, the need to farm, and it does present a huge speed advantage over players who prefer to play the game legitimately/as it is meant to be.

But the BB glitch requires the player to obtain everything anyhow. It was simply a way to move/duplicate existing inventory (which must already exist) from an old character to a new one.

Whether it breaks roleplaying (especially after 1st playthrough) isn't really relevant. A player may or may not be invested in the roleplaying aspect of the game; that's their choice.

Acarnatia wrote:Absolutely ban it and patch it away at the very earliest opportunity.

I second that.

DE5PA1R wrote:

Acarnatia wrote:It's also game-breaking in terms of roleplaying. It defeats the entire point of having limited resources until near the end of the game, the need to farm, and it does present a huge speed advantage over players who prefer to play the game legitimately/as it is meant to be.

But the BB glitch requires the player to obtain everything anyhow. It was simply a way to move/duplicate existing inventory (which must already exist) from an old character to a new one.

Whether it breaks roleplaying (especially after 1st playthrough) isn't really relevant. A player may or may not be invested in the roleplaying aspect of the game; that's their choice.

No. It was a way to send the gear you obtained at soul level 50 and up to a new level character. There was nothing stopping you from using it on the soul level 15 character you just created, therein, giving you gear you most certainly didn’t earn.
If you want an easier way to make a pvp character in Dark Souls 2, then I’d suggest trashing your first character (we’ve all done it in both soul games) and reading the wiki while waiting for mungen monkey to develop a new calculator. Plan ahead and be patient.

Animaaal wrote:

But the BB glitch requires the player to obtain everything anyhow. It was simply a way to move/duplicate existing inventory (which must already exist) from an old character to a new one.

Whether it breaks roleplaying (especially after 1st playthrough) isn't really relevant. A player may or may not be invested in the roleplaying aspect of the game; that's their choice.

No. It was a way to send the gear you obtained at soul level 50 and up to a new level character.

No **** Sherlock. That's what I just said. The player must have earned that gear in their level 50 playthrough in order for them to give it to their new character.

If you want an easier way to make a pvp character in Dark Souls 2, then I’d suggest trashing your first character (we’ve all done it in both soul games) and reading the wiki while waiting for mungen monkey to develop a new calculator. Plan ahead and be patient.

You're not making any sense. The issue is variety. Some PvPers have fun playing a variety of different builds. The BB glitch helped them have fun by not requiring them to go through the game several times if they want to play several different builds.

DE5PA1R wrote:...No **** Sherlock. That's what I just said. The player must have earned that gear in their level 50 play through in order for them to give it to their new character...

Sorry Watson, thats not what you said. You said transferring gear to a new character. Implying that your new character would also be level 50 and up.

DE5PA1R wrote:...You're not making any sense. The issue is variety. Some PvPers have fun playing a variety of different builds. The BB glitch helped them have fun by not requiring them to go through the game several times if they want to play several different builds...

What I said makes perfect sense. Earn it or do without. Simple. If someone is really a “vet” then they have zero problems making a new build. Some people can speed run in 2 or 3 hours. If you don’t have that kind of time, then time management should be a priority. If they don’t have that kind of skill, then they should practice more anyway.

You’re also implying that because you don’t gank, you should have the right regardless of what other people do. They will abuse it, and you should humbly sacrifice the convenience for the sake of the game. Saying I don’t care how other people use the glitch is saying that you care about no one but yourself. Is that what you’re saying?