Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database557

    Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

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    Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:59 am

    Many of us use mugenmonkey for weapon ARs, however the crystal path AR's is displayed at crystal +5. Playing the fair game, we all know that crystal +5 is not easily restocked since slabs are rare. However some weapons can give us an advantage at crystal +4 which can be restocked by farming chunks. Some of these increased ARs are not worth the effort though, at least for me. For someone else, it can be a reason to be as effective as possible.

    Weapons with single AR scaling will be measured at 40 Str or 40 Dex.
    Weapons with double AR scaling (C/C, D/C, etc.) will be measured at 40 Str/40 Dex.
    Only weapons that can be farmed or bought will be listed.
    N+15 ARs taken from mugenmonkey (some fixed values from in-game data)
    PvP top tier weapons listed.


    -Fists

    Caestus N+15: 336 AR
    Caestus C+4: 350 AR

    Claw N+15: 359 AR
    Claw C+4: 374 AR


    -Daggers

    Bandit's Knife N+15: 279 AR
    Bandit's Knife C+4: 291 AR


    -Straight Swords

    Longsword N+15: 408 AR
    Longsword C+4: 424 AR

    Broadsword N+15: 418 AR
    Broadsword C+4: 435 AR

    BSS N+15: 399 AR
    BSS C+4: 415 AR


    -Greatswords

    Bastard Sword N+15: 535 AR
    Bastard Sword C+4: 557 AR

    MSGS N+15: 521 AR
    MSGS C+4: 542 AR

    Flamberge N+15: 484 AR
    Flamberge C+4: 503 AR


    -UGS

    Greatsword N+15: 610 AR
    Greatsword C+4: 634 AR

    DGM N+15: 637 AR
    DGM C+4: 663 AR


    -Curved Swords

    Falchion N+15: 409 AR
    Falchion C+4: 426 AR

    Shotel N+15: 386 AR
    Shotel C+4: 402 AR

    PGS N+15: 418 AR
    PGS C+4: 435 AR


    -Katanas

    Uchigatana N+15: 420 AR
    Uchigatana C+4: 436 AR

    Washing Pole N+15: 426 AR
    Washing Pole C+4: 444 AR


    -Curved Greatswords

    Murakumo N+15: 564 AR
    Murakumo C+4: 587 AR


    -Rapiers

    Rapier N+15: 352 AR
    Rapier C+4: 367 AR


    -Axes

    Hand Axe N+15: 383 AR
    Hand Axe C+4: 398 AR


    -Greataxes

    Greataxe N+15: 632 AR
    Greataxe C+4: 657 AR

    DGA N+15: 654 AR (31 Str, 2H)
    DGA C+4: 681 AR (31 Str, 2H)


    -Hammers

    Mace N+15: 431 AR
    Mace C+4: 448 AR

    Reinforced Club N+15: 428 AR
    Reinforced Club C+4: 445 AR

    Pickaxe N+15 421 AR
    Pickaxe C+4: 439 AR


    -Great Hammers

    Large Club N+15: 615 AR
    Large Club C+4: 638 AR


    -Spears

    Pike N+15: 416 AR
    Pike C+4: 433 AR

    4 Pronged Plow N+15: 401 AR
    4 Pronged Plow C+4:


    -Bows

    Shortbow N+15: 390 AR (Large Arrows)
    Shortbow C+4: 399 AR (Large Arrows)


    -Crossbows

    Light Crossbow N+15: 374 AR (Heavy Bolts)
    Light Crossbow C+4: 384 AR (Heavy Bolts)


    Notes:

    -Crystal Large Club has almost same AR as a Great Club for 1 less weight.

    -Crystal Rapier has a little more AR (+4) than Estoc, lower weight and higher critical bonus.

    -Crystal Longsword has a little more AR (+4) than SSS, at lower weight and stat requirements.

    -Caestus are weaker than claws, even at 40/40.

    -The higher the AR, the higher is the difference between normal and crystal AR.

    -Anything above 20 AR difference is worth the farming imo.


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    Re: Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

    Post by amaro57 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:04 am

    But doesn't the fact that +15s can be buffed with CMW or resins pretty much make them superior to Crystals?

    Also, would love to help with collecting the numbers if you need any.


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    Re: Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:06 am

    amaro57 wrote:But doesn't the fact that +15s can be buffed with CMW or resins pretty much make them superior to Crystals?

    Also, would love to help with collecting the numbers if you need any.

    Crystals can be buffed as well. winking


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    Re: Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:11 am

    Damn Wyrm, will be eagerly looking forward to seeing the results.


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    Re: Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

    Post by amaro57 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:13 am

    WyrmHero wrote:
    amaro57 wrote:But doesn't the fact that +15s can be buffed with CMW or resins pretty much make them superior to Crystals?

    Also, would love to help with collecting the numbers if you need any.

    Crystals can be buffed as well. winking

    I never knew this. Hrm, well then, I await your results with earnest.


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    Re: Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:24 am

    Go to darksouls.lljk.net, click on the weapons category in the page header, and browse through the catalog. Select any weapon, look at its stats for Crystal +4. E.G., for Claymore: http://darksouls.lljk.net/1.04/weapon/crystal_claymore

    Then go here: https://sites.google.com/site/darksoulstats/dark-souls-calculators/crystal

    In the spread sheet, scroll over until you can see columns J and AB. Select both of them, right-click, and set column width to 60 or whatever value you want. This will reveal some background information used by the calculator. Set the base damage to whatever it says on darksouls.lljk.net at Crystal +4. For the Claymore, that's 267. Then go back to the main part of the calculator and use it as you normally would. Crystal +4 Calculator.


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    Re: Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:33 am

    Ok it is done!!!!!!!!! Coffee!

    Only crystal Hand Axe and plow ARs left, if you guys have them post it here.


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    Re: Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

    Post by Ghadis_God on Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:41 pm

    +1, and good work. I've always wondered about this but was afraid to farm and find out.


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    Re: Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:01 pm

    Ghadis_God wrote:+1, and good work. I've always wondered about this but was afraid to farm and find out.
    You don't need to farm anything, you just need to know the weapon stats, which are readily available (with the exception of DLC weapons, AFAIK). I can tell you that a Crystal Hand Axe +4, with 40 strength and dexterity, is going to have 398 attack rating, and I've never upgraded a Hand Axe past +0 in the entire time I've played the game.


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    Re: Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:08 pm

    Thank you!!!!


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    Re: Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

    Post by GenericUsername on Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:14 pm

    I was actually looking for something like this, but is it possible this stuff has changed? I have a +4 Crystal murakumo and a +15 and it says the +15 has a higher AR

    Scratch that, I just realized I forgot to reinforce it to +4 lol!

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    Re: Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

    Post by Carphil on Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:25 pm

    Nice job with the results happy


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