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    What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:55 pm

    The frequency with which people do the backstab-dance in this game during invasions has reached almost comical proportions. Maybe I'm in the wrong for not adapting and just doing the same thing myself, but honestly, it's just tiresome. I could roll around for hours and avoid these tools, but that's not exactly my idea of a good time either. At this point, I've just started stripping naked when the invader comes in, and when they spot me, I just turn and give 'em my back. Here ya go chump, free souls!

    But in all seriousness, is there any way to actually fight a backstabber without having to resort to the same thing? It's hard to try parrying, since they never seem to take a straight shot at you. Opinions?
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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by Carphil on Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:57 pm

    When they bow and the backstab me, I have two options:

    1- Die, because they were wearing hornets ring

    2- Roll away, heal, come back, spam WoG, Stunlock, Avelyn, Power Within. Anything to kill them


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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:03 pm

    I'm at a point now where I'm ready to give up on anything even resembling melee combat. Roll the game 3 times for 9 WoG casts, and just pull that out on everyone I meet.

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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by barecanvas on Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:08 pm

    Easy, just bs fish them back lol. While theyre trying to go for your right side, you swing around the left. Maybe you can even lagstab-no damage and when they get up 2H R2 spam lol
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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:09 pm

    don't play by their rules. use a weapon with horizontal sweeps or wog them. back off then charge for a pivot or lock on bs. chsm then smack them as they come out of the dodge, off hand avylen, any number of basic tricks work, but the underlying theme is to be in control. you know they're going to do it so punish them for being predictable. rolling backwards will buy you distance and if its a large weapon user they'll get impatient if they cant get close enough for a bs and start swinging, then you can parry them.


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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by PPG-3- on Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:22 pm

    please dont. no need to stoop to those levels. try to get involved in some organized pvp.

    but I always have great combustion equipped when ppl try to get too close for my liking. same goes for WotG on faith builds. but I think spamming those spells is just about as exciting as fishing for a backstab.
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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by Gol on Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:44 pm

    barecanvas wrote:Easy, just bs fish them back lol. While theyre trying to go for your right side, you swing around the left. Maybe you can even lagstab-no damage and when they get up 2H R2 spam lol


    Doesn't work cause they all seen the video that explains "HOW TO DO A COUNTER-BACKSTAB".
    But, actually, there's no "counter backstab", and it doesn't require any skill, it's just a lag exploitation.

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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by barecanvas on Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:00 pm

    Gol wrote:
    barecanvas wrote:Easy, just bs fish them back lol. While theyre trying to go for your right side, you swing around the left. Maybe you can even lagstab-no damage and when they get up 2H R2 spam lol


    Doesn't work cause they all seen the video that explains "HOW TO DO A COUNTER-BACKSTAB".
    But, actually, there's no "counter backstab", and it doesn't require any skill, it's just a lag exploitation.
    Thats nit exactly true. Most BS fishers I meet are easy counter with another BMost of them learn to BS fish from what a friend td them to do. "Just run around them and press RB"
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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by ChizFreak on Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:34 pm

    Depends, if you have a good weapon against BS (like Greatswords One handed), you can just try to hit them with the R1 attack when you see they are going to try to pull of a BS. If you use other methods, then the best you can do, it's roll every time you attack and see them too close. Remember, if you get BSed it's because you made a mistake, or lag.


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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by Yesuurd on Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:43 pm

    I get backstabbed millions of times and I am a certified parry/backstabber addict build, there are many ways to evade or counter these, the only one thing which is unavoidable are lagstabs.

    I have also met players which have not allowed me to backstab them and have killed me by pure hits, so
    I think all of this is just relative, you can practice and learn to better yourself on everything in this game.


    In response to the thread topic:

    Be aggressive and try to backstab back or stunlock, try ranged attacks, spam WOTG, get your back to a wall,
    use long range weapons with shield, use magic etc....

    And I love you all but I will backstab you sorry.


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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by lextune on Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:01 pm

    They are scared to fight, or not capable of it. Exploit their pathetic predictability.


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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by befowler on Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:02 pm

    I have no idea how to avoid backstabs. I've been backstabbed from every conceivable angle, distance, and elevation. I even got backstabbed once by two guys at the same time, from different directions (I sort of stood there frozen while both went through the stab animations). My favorite was probably when I was backstabbed by some guy fatrolling in Havels, while I was naked and sprinting away. He was near the Alvina cat, and I was halfway across the bridge running towards the mushroom folks area -- again, much faster than him -- and I teleported backwards and got backstabbed. It's like people who bought the collector's edition have a special button that autobackstabs or something.

    And yes, I've studied the videos, practiced avoidance, learned movement and trained with horizontal sweeps weapons, and all that. The only thing that works with any reliability is WoG, but then folks claim you're lame because you won't just let them backstab you "fairly". lol


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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:10 pm

    you're missing something then, i have no idea what it is as i haven't seen you play but i'm with yesuurd, if it happens, its usually your fualt. The common one is fighting at the enemies pace instead of your own, don't let them pressure you. wog is valid, and i also use force both because it also works and because they look the same so its easy to keep them scared of it.


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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by aceluby on Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:21 pm

    1h moonlight greatsword (or claymore) for the wide r1 arc. Try to get them into stunlock and then finish them off.


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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by skarekrow13 on Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:24 pm

    I have learned to play the mirror game fairly successfully. They move left I do and always, always, always maintain a precise distance. Mirror but do not let them close in on you. Patience is your friend as, like was said above, many backstab masters will lose their cool if thwarted too long. I have gotten backstabbers to try to roll sideways to circle me. This is usually the time to R2 if you have a nice sweeping weapon. The attack animation can be just as long as the roll and they will get hit as they come out of it.

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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by Yesuurd on Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:40 pm

    skarekrow13 wrote:I have learned to play the mirror game fairly successfully. They move left I do and always, always, always maintain a precise distance. Mirror but do not let them close in on you. Patience is your friend as, like was said above, many backstab masters will lose their cool if thwarted too long. I have gotten backstabbers to try to roll sideways to circle me. This is usually the time to R2 if you have a nice sweeping weapon. The attack animation can be just as long as the roll and they will get hit as they come out of it.

    I dunno if you guys know this trick or if it is a trick but I do it alot, I am going to leave myself wide open
    saying this here but hey we are amongst friends and I think this mostly works on unexperienced players.

    When I se someone with a greatsword or lets say slow weapon, well it even works with spears really I taunt them by hitting them once and I roll directly towards them.When rolling I don't get hit and many times I end up behind them through an angle and then as they are picking up their slow weapon hit from the ground it is too late I have already backstabbed them.

    So yeah have patience and watch your opponent's moves, learn from them no matter if you loose once, learn why....


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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by skarekrow13 on Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:49 pm

    Lol. Yesuurd thanks for pointing out MY weakness. Yeah, the mirror has won me some good matches and unskilled fighters with the backstab as their only trick will roll to circle you (sideways) and are extremely vulnerable to sweeping attacks. Rolling toward me is a different story. In that case YOU should roll sideways with a lock on and have a faster attack ready. I use a scythe and the downward strike is useful here. Gonna steal your point Yesuurd and expand....there's a counter to every counter and no two fights are the same. Like the game says, prepare to die and get better from the experience.

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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by Yesuurd on Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:12 pm

    skarekrow13 wrote:Lol. Yesuurd thanks for pointing out MY weakness. Yeah, the mirror has won me some good matches and unskilled fighters with the backstab as their only trick will roll to circle you (sideways) and are extremely vulnerable to sweeping attacks. Rolling toward me is a different story. In that case YOU should roll sideways with a lock on and have a faster attack ready. I use a scythe and the downward strike is useful here. Gonna steal your point Yesuurd and expand....there's a counter to every counter and no two fights are the same. Like the game says, prepare to die and get better from the experience.

    Touche my friend! hmm we should fight sometime, I am eager...

    I am tempted to erase my posts hahaha,dammit...


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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by Scudman_Slayer on Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:37 pm

    Force spam the guy to the ground everytime he tries to backstaba

    and attack him head on

    thats my way of not getting backstabed

    fails most of the time actually :/

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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by johnsom on Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:55 pm

    If they have high poise don't attack if they are close even r1 they will walk right by you while you recover. Medium and heavy armor have it and if your using a lighter weapon they should be able to take that first hit and walk on by. The wolf ring also has it and you can tell if they have it on by the white aura it emits. You could try kicking. I personally don't find much use for it seems to miss alot. Roll away and r1 works well then roll again. Just plain O then r1 depending on weapon you might end up right where you start and they will walk around you and bs. R2 if they are being agressive about it. Do it when they are 5-6 (may need adjustment for weapon) feet away and positive it will miss alot of times they walk right into it. Wog is worthless a good attentive player (These people aren't normally very good) will watch for weapon changes and see a talisman come out and roll right through it for a free hit or bs plus its lame. Never tried to fatroll through it might work on them. You can totally avoid all damage by rolling at any range. Its kinda funny when people don't know this and they just kept hitting it while I destroy them. I personally never really try to backstab unless they are chuggin estus and have no interest learning how to counterstab usually end up magically getting stabbed myself when I try. Learn to read the other player knowing when one is coming is the best defense against it.
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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by reim0027 on Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:27 pm

    Pivot BS: You should know the approximate poise of your enemy. If they have low poise, then use a horizontal swinging weapon to stun them. If they have high poise, then get the eff out of the way, or counter BS them. Pivot BS fishers are easy to spot, and very predictable.

    Roll BS: harder to avoid, and they take advantage of both poise and your weapon's recovery times. If you have a weapon prone to roll BS, then, keep your distance and attack with the tip of your weapon. Also, know the distance that a DWG roll and non DWG roll will be. The best avoidance is to roll so they don't end up behind you, or end up too far behind you.

    All in all, BS avoidance, for me, boils down to predictability, proper distance management, and rolling in the right direction.

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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by ted1023 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:28 am

    Yesuurd wrote:I love you all but I will backstab you sorry.

    Yeah he means it too!!! my toon gets scared everytime his name shows up in the forest..lol

    My back still hurts!!


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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by White Mamba on Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:23 am

    Sometimes I put on something of Kirks and just roll/flip straight at them when they close in for a backstab. It only takes about 3 or so hp off but after a while they get really frustrated and try something stupid or even try to black crystal out. If they are really bad and all they do is try to backstab sometimes I just back up to a wall/corner and have wog sitting there ready to use. I don't like using WoG but have it there just for 3v1, healers or backstabbers
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    Post by moomootv on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:14 am

    If i see them doing the backstab dance I just do it to them because they wont want to fight fair so they arent worth the time


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    Re: What's your strategy for avoiding backstabs?

    Post by Glutebrah on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:32 am

    kill them first.

    but in all serious, i was in a match once with a guy who all he tried to do was running pivot back stabs, it got to the point where i was like ok, i will do the same and we will let lag sort it out.

    we ended up backstabbing each other 7x in a row same time with neither of us taking damage, was the most epic duel i ever did. on the 8th attempt i fell through the floor and he won.

    funny thing is he messaged me asking why i wasn't taking any damage and how i did the hack.

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