by ChizFreak Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:54 amSlarg232 wrote:I thought Astora was destroyed by the Evil Eye.
The Ring says the beast "assaulted" Astora, doesn't mean it destroyed it.
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The Ring says the beast "assaulted" Astora, doesn't mean it destroyed it.
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Astora seems like a logical assumption if the hero from the trailer is traveling to Lordran. ENB pointed out that the concept art of Lordran in the distance is almost copy-paste what we see in the opening scene of the trailer. There are echoes of Oscar's story - a Knight of Astora, after becoming Undead, makes pilgrimage to the land of the Ancient Lords. It's been pointed out that the fur around the hero's shoulders resembles the armor of Solaire of Astora. Finally, we know from the placement of Astora's Straight Sword and Dragon Crest Shield that a high-ranking Astoran knight (maybe even 2-3) had beef with a dragon in the Valley of Drakes. So we know that Astoran knights make it a priority to travel to Lordran when they're Undead, and we also know that Astoran knights aren't overly fond of dragons.
I really doubt that slaying dragons would be a viable goal in Vinheim. They revere Seath, grandfather of sorcery, and create items with images of dragons on them.
Carim is viable, and the falcata (swords) seen in the trailer lends some credence to this idea.
Catarina is somewhat viable as well, though the armor is a very different style compared to what we've seen.
One thing we don't know is if/how these lands are physically connected to one another. Is Ash Lake a sort of universal warp point? Is Lordran at the center of everything? How did the NPCs from other lands travel to Lordran?
I really doubt that slaying dragons would be a viable goal in Vinheim. They revere Seath, grandfather of sorcery, and create items with images of dragons on them.
Carim is viable, and the falcata (swords) seen in the trailer lends some credence to this idea.
Catarina is somewhat viable as well, though the armor is a very different style compared to what we've seen.
One thing we don't know is if/how these lands are physically connected to one another. Is Ash Lake a sort of universal warp point? Is Lordran at the center of everything? How did the NPCs from other lands travel to Lordran?
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I can say for 100% certainty that based on my knowledge of Dks, what we see in the distance of the DkS2 trailer is not Lordran.
I dont see how people think that. I doesnt even come close to looking like lordran. Unless its a view if Anor Londo from behind so all we can see is back of Anor Londo.
Ive heard people say that the spiral building on the bottom left like the one in the new DLC and in PWof Arimas and that Send Fortress is right next to it on the right.
All you have to do is picture Lordran in your mind. If that is Lordran in the trailer then where is the wall separating Anor Londo from the rest of Lordran? That wall is massive and circles around for a great distance.
Sens Fortress is almost tucked away in the trees by the wall to Anor Londo and Dukes Archives looks nothing like that spiral building from the trailer. The only way that that city we see in the trailer is Lordran is if its either 1. like I said before just a back side view that we've never seen of Anor Londo or its some condensed version of Lordran that From put together by squishing all the buildings of Lordran into one cluster, which is not likely in my opinion.
So what do you guys think?
Is my info wrong?
Is there something Im missing here?
I dont see how people think that. I doesnt even come close to looking like lordran. Unless its a view if Anor Londo from behind so all we can see is back of Anor Londo.
Ive heard people say that the spiral building on the bottom left like the one in the new DLC and in PWof Arimas and that Send Fortress is right next to it on the right.
All you have to do is picture Lordran in your mind. If that is Lordran in the trailer then where is the wall separating Anor Londo from the rest of Lordran? That wall is massive and circles around for a great distance.
Sens Fortress is almost tucked away in the trees by the wall to Anor Londo and Dukes Archives looks nothing like that spiral building from the trailer. The only way that that city we see in the trailer is Lordran is if its either 1. like I said before just a back side view that we've never seen of Anor Londo or its some condensed version of Lordran that From put together by squishing all the buildings of Lordran into one cluster, which is not likely in my opinion.
So what do you guys think?
Is my info wrong?
Is there something Im missing here?
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Check out the Dark Souls concept art vs what we see in the trailer. Almost exactly the same.
https://youtu.be/JpS0HMzqnTQ?t=5m10s
Also here:
https://soulswiki.forumotion.com/t4931-dark-souls-design-works#86603
And finally, note what Lordran would look like from the back. There's a noticeable absence of wall on the 'Northeast,' where there are mountains instead.
https://i.imgur.com/U8t2d.jpg
https://youtu.be/JpS0HMzqnTQ?t=5m10s
Also here:
https://soulswiki.forumotion.com/t4931-dark-souls-design-works#86603
And finally, note what Lordran would look like from the back. There's a noticeable absence of wall on the 'Northeast,' where there are mountains instead.
https://i.imgur.com/U8t2d.jpg
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TeeHayne wrote:I heard that DkS2 will not take place in a Limbo like world this time, but a location when the player is still actually human. Is this true? Or will there still be the Hallowed/Human transition?
You confusing Dark Souls with Demons Souls, which basically is Purgatory/Limbo.
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DaS2 does not take place in Lordran, nor does it tell about a journey to Lordran. Entirely standalone game in a different kingdom, that's it.
The castle in the trailer looks absolutely nothing like Anor Londo (don't be ridiculous) and yeah it looks similar to the old art illustration but that was obviously just the early idea for what Anor Londo might look like, before they changed their mind.
It's mind boggling how people come up with speculation like this AFTER FromSoft has stated the contrary.
Carim is the most likely location btw, since no one in the trailer has a shield & they said the game has a mad scientist. Arstor of Carim is mad, cruel & uses his skill to create artifacts like Purging Stones out of humans, or magical rings through some dreadful experiments.
The castle in the trailer looks absolutely nothing like Anor Londo (don't be ridiculous) and yeah it looks similar to the old art illustration but that was obviously just the early idea for what Anor Londo might look like, before they changed their mind.
It's mind boggling how people come up with speculation like this AFTER FromSoft has stated the contrary.
Carim is the most likely location btw, since no one in the trailer has a shield & they said the game has a mad scientist. Arstor of Carim is mad, cruel & uses his skill to create artifacts like Purging Stones out of humans, or magical rings through some dreadful experiments.
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Of the known lands: It must be either Astora due to its history with a creature known as the Evil Eye or Carim due to its dark nature; they might make it Thoruland in some extreme case, due to its relation with the undead next to Lordran.
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Frank_White wrote:DaS2 does not take place in Lordran, nor does it tell about a journey to Lordran. Entirely standalone game in a different kingdom, that's it.
Stop pretending you know these as facts. You don't.
The castle in the trailer looks absolutely nothing like Anor Londo (don't be ridiculous) and yeah it looks similar to the old art illustration but that was obviously just the early idea for what Anor Londo might look like, before they changed their mind.
It has already been pointed out that what we see could very well be Anor Londo from a certain angle. Read before posting.
It's mind boggling how people come up with speculation like this AFTER FromSoft has stated the contrary.
They haven't. You're imagining things.
Carim is the most likely location btw, since no one in the trailer has a shield & they said the game has a mad scientist. Arstor of Carim is mad, cruel & uses his skill to create artifacts like Purging Stones out of humans, or magical rings through some dreadful experiments.
No. The concept art is extremely western. Carim is the equivalent of the Middle East.
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I'm not sure Carim has a direct real-world counterpat; rather, I think it's a mix of several. Based on the clothes and paleness (check the default Carim face in teh character creator as well as Oswald and Lautrec-those guys are pretty pale) of people from Carim. The Earl invented the shotel which is a weapon from northern Africa in our world, uses a lot of dual-wielding (nowhere that I know of in our world was known for that) and deals a lot with the nature of Sin and (this is just my own conclusion on where the occult items came from) possibly the occult gear and dark ember. Carim seems to be a mix of African, Mediterranean and EXTREMELY northern Europe. Somehow, I can see it placed as a very dark-themed Russia or as a pale-skinned Carthage.
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The knight seems to come from Astora, but those masked assassins appear to be from Carim, since they are wielding what appears to be a Kukri and Carim is famous for having weird weapons (Shotel) and curious fighting styles (bad-*** dual wielding and no shield rules)
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DE5PA1R wrote:Frank_White wrote:DaS2 does not take place in Lordran, nor does it tell about a journey to Lordran. Entirely standalone game in a different kingdom, that's it.
Stop pretending you know these as facts. You don't.
The castle in the trailer looks absolutely nothing like Anor Londo (don't be ridiculous) and yeah it looks similar to the old art illustration but that was obviously just the early idea for what Anor Londo might look like, before they changed their mind.
It has already been pointed out that what we see could very well be Anor Londo from a certain angle. Read before posting.
It's mind boggling how people come up with speculation like this AFTER FromSoft has stated the contrary.
They haven't. You're imagining things.
Carim is the most likely location btw, since no one in the trailer has a shield & they said the game has a mad scientist. Arstor of Carim is mad, cruel & uses his skill to create artifacts like Purging Stones out of humans, or magical rings through some dreadful experiments.
No. The concept art is extremely western. Carim is the equivalent of the Middle East.
I did read what was said. What I said were facts, FromSoft had said it takes place in another kingdom. This means no Lordran, no journey to Lordran (because a journey would indicate you leave the kingdom you are in).
And no, it can not in any case be Anor Londo, it just obviously is not it. Because we already know the game doesn't take place in Lordran, and because it doesn't look like Anor Londo. Please use your head.
It is never implied that Carim would be to the east of Lordran, or that it would be "the equivalent of Middle East", their armor is very western. Carim is very likely a western kingdom.
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Acarnatia wrote:I'm not sure Carim has a direct real-world counterpat; rather, I think it's a mix of several. Based on the clothes and paleness (check the default Carim face in teh character creator as well as Oswald and Lautrec-those guys are pretty pale) of people from Carim. The Earl invented the shotel which is a weapon from northern Africa in our world, uses a lot of dual-wielding (nowhere that I know of in our world was known for that) and deals a lot with the nature of Sin and (this is just my own conclusion on where the occult items came from) possibly the occult gear and dark ember. Carim seems to be a mix of African, Mediterranean and EXTREMELY northern Europe. Somehow, I can see it placed as a very dark-themed Russia or as a pale-skinned Carthage.
This. Must be a very dark place if the inhabitants are that pale. Hmm what did the trailer say again... "forever without light".
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I did read what was said. What I said were facts, FromSoft had said it takes place in another kingdom. This means no Lordran, no journey to Lordran (because a journey would indicate you leave the kingdom you are in).
We know that the game doesn't take place in Lordran. This has no bearing on whether or not the player goes to Lordran, or wants to journey to Lordran. Moron.
And no, it can not in any case be Anor Londo, it just obviously is not it. Because we already know the game doesn't take place in Lordran, and because it doesn't look like Anor Londo. Please use your head.
It's been pointed out before. It potentially looks exactly like Lordran from a certain angle. Can you read good?
It is never implied that Carim would be to the east of Lordran, or that it would be "the equivalent of Middle East", their armor is very western. Carim is very likely a western kingdom.
East of Lordran? Who brought that up?
Carim employ weapons and techniques used by Persians and middle easterners of the medieval era. They do not use shields, which were used by nearly every western army from the era. And Karim is one of the 99 names of Allah. What makes you think Carim is a western kingdom?
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Carim was pale (look at a character with the Carim default face in character creator) well before the Fire went out. And people only get so pale without light over just a few generations. Take a black human; they're not going to be as pale as the people of Carim apparently are.
And while we do know that the game doesn't take place in Lordran, for all we know, it may take place in the kingdom immediately adjacent. That may be Lordran in the distance; that doesn't mean that the main character will ever go there.
And while we do know that the game doesn't take place in Lordran, for all we know, it may take place in the kingdom immediately adjacent. That may be Lordran in the distance; that doesn't mean that the main character will ever go there.
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DE5PA1R wrote:I did read what was said. What I said were facts, FromSoft had said it takes place in another kingdom. This means no Lordran, no journey to Lordran (because a journey would indicate you leave the kingdom you are in).
We know that the game doesn't take place in Lordran. This has no bearing on whether or not the player goes to Lordran, or wants to journey to Lordran. Moron.
And no, it can not in any case be Anor Londo, it just obviously is not it. Because we already know the game doesn't take place in Lordran, and because it doesn't look like Anor Londo. Please use your head.
It's been pointed out before. It potentially looks exactly like Lordran from a certain angle. Can you read good?
It is never implied that Carim would be to the east of Lordran, or that it would be "the equivalent of Middle East", their armor is very western. Carim is very likely a western kingdom.
East of Lordran? Who brought that up?
Carim employ weapons and techniques used by Persians and middle easterners of the medieval era. They do not use shields, which were used by nearly every western army from the era. And Karim is one of the 99 names of Allah. What makes you think Carim is a western kingdom?
Yes, it does mean that the player will not go to Lordran. Sure he might want to go there but he never will during the gameplay, this much is known. But lets not resort to namecalling now, huh?
Perhaps you don't know much about angles, but you can try them all and it still is obviously not Anor Londo. The castle would have to be Dukes Archives for it to be AL, and that's not the Archives...
I didn't know that about Allah, good notion there. Still, from all we've been told about Carim, only thing we know is that it's a dark and creepy place with no hope. So what makes you think it DOES have an eastern feeling to it?
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My money is on Thoruland playing a role in the next game. That guy from facebook looks a lot like gwyn, and I'm pretty sure it's Lloyd. The other guy also looked clericy to me.
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Acarnatia wrote:Carim was pale (look at a character with the Carim default face in character creator) well before the Fire went out. And people only get so pale without light over just a few generations. Take a black human; they're not going to be as pale as the people of Carim apparently are.
And while we do know that the game doesn't take place in Lordran, for all we know, it may take place in the kingdom immediately adjacent. That may be Lordran in the distance; that doesn't mean that the main character will ever go there.
That's exactly what I mean. The fact that people from Carim are pale, makes the trailer imply even more that the game takes place in Carim because there is less light there.
And yes, in theory it could be Lordran in the distance. But it's not Anor Londo in the distance, that is for sure. Would look entirely different no matter what side you are looking from.
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Can we stop with the possibility that the kingdom/city in the trailer is Lordran. It IS Not possible.
All you have to do is picture yourself on top of Sens where you fight the Golem.
Where's that giant wall surrounding Anor Londo?
I mean picture what the Dukes looks like. I
t's a tiny building (compared to AL) a-top a mountain, tucked back barely noticeable at a glance.
I don't think it could be Lordran at any angle really.
All you have to do is picture yourself on top of Sens where you fight the Golem.
Where's that giant wall surrounding Anor Londo?
I mean picture what the Dukes looks like. I
t's a tiny building (compared to AL) a-top a mountain, tucked back barely noticeable at a glance.
I don't think it could be Lordran at any angle really.
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Oh_the_Humanity wrote:Can we stop with the possibility that the kingdom/city in the trailer is Lordran. It IS Not possible.
All you have to do is picture yourself on top of Sens where you fight the Golem.
Where's that giant wall surrounding Anor Londo?
I mean picture what the Dukes looks like. I
t's a tiny building (compared to AL) a-top a mountain, tucked back barely noticeable at a glance.
I don't think it could be Lordran at any angle really.
Pictures. Look at them.
For Juniper's sake...
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DE5PA1R wrote:Oh_the_Humanity wrote:Can we stop with the possibility that the kingdom/city in the trailer is Lordran. It IS Not possible.
All you have to do is picture yourself on top of Sens where you fight the Golem.
Where's that giant wall surrounding Anor Londo?
I mean picture what the Dukes looks like. I
t's a tiny building (compared to AL) a-top a mountain, tucked back barely noticeable at a glance.
I don't think it could be Lordran at any angle really.
Pictures. Look at them.
For Juniper's sake...
Or look at a picture, either way. Not Lordran.
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DE5PA1R wrote:Check out the Dark Souls concept art vs what we see in the trailer. Almost exactly the same.
https://youtu.be/JpS0HMzqnTQ?t=5m10s
Also here:
https://soulswiki.forumotion.com/t4931-dark-souls-design-works#86603
And finally, note what Lordran would look like from the back. There's a noticeable absence of wall on the 'Northeast,' where there are mountains instead.
https://i.imgur.com/U8t2d.jpg
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DE5PA1R wrote:DE5PA1R wrote:Check out the Dark Souls concept art vs what we see in the trailer. Almost exactly the same.
https://youtu.be/JpS0HMzqnTQ?t=5m10s
Also here:
https://soulswiki.forumotion.com/t4931-dark-souls-design-works#86603
And finally, note what Lordran would look like from the back. There's a noticeable absence of wall on the 'Northeast,' where there are mountains instead.
https://i.imgur.com/U8t2d.jpg
It's almost like you don't understand what concept art means. Yes, that is very early Dark Souls concept art, and they clearly thought about making Anor Londo look like that. Then they changed their mind and made another type, with a large wall around it, a cathedral in the middle and the highest point would be Dukes Archives. Now they are using the scrapped concept art for a new location in the next game.
Are you dense or something? Why would they put in Anor Londo in a game that does not take place in Lordran AND change the entire appearance of Anor Londo to begin with.
Btw that "mountain" behind the Cathedral is the hill on top of which Dukes Archives is. You see Dukes Archives in the trailer? No you don't. Do you even see the cathedral? No you don't.
You need to learn to accept defeat. Now you're just making a fool out of yourself.
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DE5PA1R wrote:DE5PA1R wrote:Check out the Dark Souls concept art vs what we see in the trailer. Almost exactly the same.
https://youtu.be/JpS0HMzqnTQ?t=5m10s
Also here:
https://soulswiki.forumotion.com/t4931-dark-souls-design-works#86603
And finally, note what Lordran would look like from the back. There's a noticeable absence of wall on the 'Northeast,' where there are mountains instead.
https://i.imgur.com/U8t2d.jpg
Key word, "concept" it was concept art for dark souls, not Lordran. No where does it say, this is the concept for Lordran.
Just look at it, its basically an island. It almost looks like its floating. Just look at this pic.
First picture is Anor Londo (of course) look at all the buildings surrounding the main building (where you play in game) they strech out for a long long ways.
Now look at this pic of the trailer,
and, you can clearly see a flat top on the tallest point, thats not in Anor Londo at all, since AL is all spikes and points.
If all the mountains surrounding the city in the DkS2 trailer where buildings, then yes I could say its possible.
I mean look at the size of Anor Londo alone:
heres the Dukes way atop the mountain that is the highest point in all of Lordran, you would be able to see it in any shot of Anor Londo from a distance.
and
Heres the bell tower, just some more reference to how Lordran would look from a distance.
I think I proved my point.
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Frank_White wrote:DE5PA1R wrote:DE5PA1R wrote:Check out the Dark Souls concept art vs what we see in the trailer. Almost exactly the same.
https://youtu.be/JpS0HMzqnTQ?t=5m10s
Also here:
https://soulswiki.forumotion.com/t4931-dark-souls-design-works#86603
And finally, note what Lordran would look like from the back. There's a noticeable absence of wall on the 'Northeast,' where there are mountains instead.
https://i.imgur.com/U8t2d.jpg
It's almost like you don't understand what concept art means. Yes, that is very early Dark Souls concept art, and they clearly thought about making Anor Londo look like that. Then they changed their mind and made another type, with a large wall around it, a cathedral in the middle and the highest point would be Dukes Archives. Now they are using the scrapped concept art for a new location in the next game.
Are you dense or something? Why would they put in Anor Londo in a game that does not take place in Lordran AND change the entire appearance of Anor Londo to begin with.
Btw that "mountain" behind the Cathedral is the hill on top of which Dukes Archives is. You see Dukes Archives in the trailer? No you don't. Do you even see the cathedral? No you don't.
You need to learn to accept defeat. Now you're just making a fool out of yourself.
I bet he just heard EnB (epicnamebro) talk about the trailer the first day it came out, before they confirmed that it wont be Lordran in DkS2 and thinks because he said it that it must be true.
I love EnB, he has a wonderful perspective of the DkS world and lore, but some people put him on a pedestal and think of him as the almighty of DkS, and don't take the time to think for themselves.
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DE5PA1R wrote:Check out the Dark Souls concept art vs what we see in the trailer. Almost exactly the same.
https://youtu.be/JpS0HMzqnTQ?t=5m10s
Also here:
https://soulswiki.forumotion.com/t4931-dark-souls-design-works#86603
And finally, note what Lordran would look like from the back. There's a noticeable absence of wall on the 'Northeast,' where there are mountains instead.
https://i.imgur.com/U8t2d.jpg
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