Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

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    Poise or Backstabs

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    Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by Reaperfan on Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:15 am

    Hello, and welcome to Reaperfan's Poll Project! This will be a series of polls where I will ask various questions pertaining to some of the more touchy subjects in the game in an attempt to provide raw, numerical perspective on where we sit as a community. That being said, if any of these topics end up being too touchy, please keep conversation civil. The longer these polls last the more accurate the data becomes, so getting one locked early due to a flamewar will kind of kill the project. Discussion is welcomed, and in fact encouraged, just...please keep it at actual discussion and not flaming sad

    Question #3

    Which is more poisonous to PvP balance, Poise or Backstabs?


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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by RANT on Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:21 am

    backstabs only because of lag, poise is esssential unless you wanna get stunlocked to death or get good at dodging.


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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:07 am

    Size of the bs hitbox is the main problem with bs


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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by Rynn on Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:35 am

    Maneater_Mildred wrote:Size of the bs hitbox is the main problem with bs
    The existance of backstabs is the main problem with backstabs. They should not exist in PvP.
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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by Carphil on Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:21 am

    pvot backstabs are ridiculous. The guy is so afraid of losing that all he do is to circle around you with hornets ring equiped and do everything to get a backstab. He knows that if he don't backstab he lose the fight IMO


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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by PastaOfDoom on Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:31 am

    Backstabs, they eat up 50+% of your health without hornet ring, and are too easy to get due to miniscule server lag.
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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:05 pm

    The question in itself has a simple answer, poise is a well integrated mechanic that is mainly used well, BS is a mechanic in need of change and is abused far too much.

    Which does everyone hate and which is more dishonourable when they see it? abuse of poise or abuse of BS


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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by reim0027 on Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:50 am

    Can't choose, because both are good additions to PvP, but can be exploited.


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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by DxV04 on Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:29 pm

    reim0027 wrote:Can't choose, because both are good additions to PvP, but can be exploited.

    Im definitely with reim on this one. I looked at the choices and was well this is not a black and white issue for me. I cannot choose.

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    I suggest revisiting this question but rephrasing it. Asking which is more poisonous to PvP is to ignore the positives.
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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by bloodpixel on Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:31 pm

    When you think about it, backstabs make no sense. They're meant as a sneak attack, not a tool to be used in duels. It's even more ridiculous with larger weapons.


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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:35 pm

    DeS had backstabs and no poise, the system wasn't seemingly as broken.


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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by DxV04 on Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:43 pm

    bloodpixel wrote:When you think about it, backstabs make no sense. They're meant as a sneak attack, not a tool to be used in duels. It's even more ridiculous with larger weapons.

    what kind of duel? Honorable yea, but if you are jumped by 2 or more it is no longer a duel. right?

    Are you talking about real life? If someone lunges at you and you side step them you can easily back stab. Yea that means your attacker is dumb or clumsy but there are plenty of darwin awards contenders. big grin
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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:26 pm

    DxV04 wrote:
    bloodpixel wrote:When you think about it, backstabs make no sense. They're meant as a sneak attack, not a tool to be used in duels. It's even more ridiculous with larger weapons.

    what kind of duel? Honorable yea, but if you are jumped by 2 or more it is no longer a duel. right?

    Are you talking about real life? If someone lunges at you and you side step them you can easily back stab. Yea that means your attacker is dumb or clumsy but there are plenty of darwin awards contenders. big grin
    or you're quick, but your point is valid. though i kind feel the same about bs in dark as irl. anyways, neither. if anything 2 or 3v1 would be nearly impossible without either and that would ruin a lot of pvp. in 1v1 the answer to both is to know what you're doing.


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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by Eliteknight on Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:42 am

    Kujii wrote:
    Maneater_Mildred wrote:Size of the bs hitbox is the main problem with bs
    The existance of backstabs is the main problem with backstabs. They should not exist in PvP.

    I'm gonna have to agree with that at this point. small weapons should have something else to balance against large weapon stun. Instantly winning in one hit should not be it.

    Also, as someone who studied kendo and mixed martial arts, the people above me trying to argue as if they understand how real life fights are should stop before they post something even more foolish. :/


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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:04 am

    Eliteknight wrote:
    Kujii wrote:
    Maneater_Mildred wrote:Size of the bs hitbox is the main problem with bs
    The existance of backstabs is the main problem with backstabs. They should not exist in PvP.

    I'm gonna have to agree with that at this point. small weapons should have something else to balance against large weapon stun. Instantly winning in one hit should not be it.

    Also, as someone who studied kendo and mixed martial arts, the people above me trying to argue as if they understand how real life fights are should stop before they post something even more foolish. :/
    13 years of jujitsu. don't be presumptious. and if i get behind you, wether im armed or not, i can have you dead in a second or unconcious/incapacitated in less than 8. getting behind someone to harm them is a legitimate tactic both irl and in dks. its just harder irl.


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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by Carphil on Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:33 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:
    Eliteknight wrote:
    Kujii wrote:
    Maneater_Mildred wrote:Size of the bs hitbox is the main problem with bs
    The existance of backstabs is the main problem with backstabs. They should not exist in PvP.

    I'm gonna have to agree with that at this point. small weapons should have something else to balance against large weapon stun. Instantly winning in one hit should not be it.

    Also, as someone who studied kendo and mixed martial arts, the people above me trying to argue as if they understand how real life fights are should stop before they post something even more foolish. :/
    13 years of jujitsu. don't be presumptious. and if i get behind you, wether im armed or not, i can have you dead in a second or unconcious/incapacitated in less than 8. getting behind someone to harm them is a legitimate tactic both irl and in dks. its just harder irl.

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    Re: Reaperfan's Poll Project #3

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:18 pm

    kinda my point, thats easy to line up from behind for a 'backstab' irl. and we're headed towards derailment.


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