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    Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by Heroez Blade on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:31 am

    I was trying to get an armor set that only drops from a certain enemy in the lower burg. I had 99 humanity in my circle and the gold serpant ring for an item find of 410. I think that is the highest it can go.

    Even with that high item find it took me 9+ runs through lower burg to get the full set of hollow thiefs set. I kept getting multiples of the same piece or multiples of bandits knife and target shield. There was even times where i didnt get anything from the 8 thiefs.

    The way i see it is if you have the highest possible item find than you should easily be able to get atleast one drop from every enemy. What do you guys think? Are there any long farming experiences that you had? Do you think the item find should be more accurate?


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by Rin on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:42 am

    The item drop is random...

    Think of it as picking out pieces of paper with item names from a hat the item finding increases your probability of picking a piece of paper with an item name but it dosent change the fact that the loot is random...


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by Ghadis_God on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:46 am

    The armor is a fairly rare drop to begin with, I hate farming it.


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by RandelOolacile on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:53 am

    I agree with you, especially with the hollow thief set. Every new playthrough I'm forced to spend close to an hour there for the hood. sad


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by ICEFANG on Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:27 pm

    I have to agree, a lot of players say they found slabs from the Darkwraiths with less than 410 item discovery, myself included. Sometimes I wonder if higher isn't better, but different, as in, if you are between 200-220, you have the highest drop rate for slabs, but if you are within 370-410 you have the highest chunk find.


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:43 pm

    Is the Hollow Theifs set any good?


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by VinheimProfessor on Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:45 pm

    I hate the whole idea of Item Find. I'd prefer just being able to loot corpses to get what you want. I suppose you could say that you need to get lucky and find armor or equipment in good enough condition to use, but you can repair damaged items with souls anyway, so this is one of the more obvious farming-inspiring areas of the game.


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by Rin on Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:46 pm

    it looks mean and de hood is badass tis ok but if your 1 of em that puts defence over looks then not realy


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by Nybbles on Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:55 pm

    yeah, i've farmed those thieves for hours and not one of them has dropped their pantaloons for me…ever
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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by RandelOolacile on Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:58 pm

    IV_Mark_VI wrote:Is the Hollow Theifs set any good?

    Best armor set in the game! big grin

    In terms of aesthetics, boy that hood is tops! The set in general is pretty cool, but naturally a 0 poise set is tough to deal with.


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by Rin on Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:05 pm

    :suspect: Hehe, realy i rolled with 0 for ages...


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by RandelOolacile on Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:10 pm

    Rin wrote::suspect: Hehe, realy i rolled with 0 for ages...

    Silly, Rin stop showing off! Lol big grin


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by Heroez Blade on Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:41 pm

    Like vinheimprofessor said. I think it would be easier to loot corpses instead of farming until you get what you want.

    The hollow thief set looks pretty cool, especially the hood, but its not really that good for defense and poise. If you are someone that does not care about poise than it would be a great set for you, but for me the looks are the only thing i would use it for.

    Well thanks for your thoughts and i do see your points about the drops being random and rare.


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by retro on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:01 pm

    Heroez Blade wrote:I was trying to get an armor set that only drops from a certain enemy in the lower burg. I had 99 humanity in my circle and the gold serpant ring for an item find of 410. I think that is the highest it can go.
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    The way i see it is if you have the highest possible item find than you should easily be able to get atleast one drop from every enemy. What do you guys think? Are there any long farming experiences that you had? Do you think the item find should be more accurate?
    I think the item discovery stat works just fine. I carefully tested the drop rate of Eyes of Death and noticed that it went from a 1/10 drop rate with 210 discovery (10 humanity), to 1/5 with 410 discovery (10 humanity w/ ring). So 410 Item discovery should be almost twice as good as 210...

    Perhaps your issue is with the 410 cap? After 10 humanity, humanity stops contributing to to Item Discovery. 10 humanity combined with the ring is no different than 99 combined with the ring. If you would've preferred that humanity still contributes past 10, maybe they could've made it so that after he 10th humanity, every one added only one more point to item discovery. Creating a max of 499 Item Discovery instead.
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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by PaPaSmVrf on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:27 pm

    I remember I ran lower burg about 5 times with item discovery around 200+, and only got the leggings and chest, while on another character, ran it once, with no humanity and hollowed, got 2 hoods, leggings, chest, and 2 bandit knifes, sad thing is, that was a heavy armor build, so it was usless on that profile lol


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by Heroez Blade on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:36 pm

    @ retro

    I didnt know the humanity stopped helping item find after 10. Either way i think the higher the item find is the easier it should be to get certain items, but i also see how it would make the game to easy to get things.


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    Re: Item find is not very accurate.

    Post by retro on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:56 pm

    Heroez Blade wrote:Either way i think the higher the item find is the easier it should be to get certain items...
    Ah, but that IS how it works. The higher your Item Discovery stat, the odds of finding an item increases.

    410 doesn't mean that all items should be relatively easy to find, it just means that if something had a 1/10 chance of dropping at 210 luck, it now has roughly a 1/5 chance of dropping. If something is so rare that it has something more like a 1/150 chance of dropping with 210, then it's still going to feel very rare if that's dropped all the way to 1/75.

    I don't know that the chances of all items scales in the same way, but I imagine it might.

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