No love for the humble longsword?

i seem to be doing well with the longsword in PVP. in an honest fight (with no lag stabbing) i can win against greatswords. does anyone else use straight swords and win in an honourable fight?

I love the Longswords for PvE, but in PvP I have a hard time against those who stack poise. Though the darksword is surprisingly good: I think it requires much more poise to tank through than the other straight swords.

None, the balder side sword has the same move set, the same damage for a lesser stat investment, and its longer.

Balda Swag Sword is better.
Or a Ricard's. I love that thing.

Wade_Wilson wrote:I love the Longswords for PvE, but in PvP I have a hard time against those who stack poise. Though the darksword is surprisingly good: I think it requires much more poise to tank through than the other straight swords.

straight swords do 30 poise damage the balder side sword does less but im not sure how much the silver straight sword does 36 poise damage and i imagine the darksword is similar, however the trick is to get an attack in and get away and the way i do this is while their approaching with 2handed greatsword i use the longsword's 2h stong attack to move in and attack and while they attack i roll to the right and use another 2h stong attack as the side roll at close range puts you just about outside greatsword range but you can punish them with the greater range of the longsword 2h stong attack. i could say more about the in's and out's of the longsword vs greatsword but i'll stop.

Forum Pirate wrote:None, the balder side sword has the same move set, the same damage for a lesser stat investment, and its longer.

the balder side sword is indeed longer and uses more stamina for its thrust attacks both 1h and 2h but the 2h strong attack does very good damage compareable to a greatsword with much more range and as thrust weapon it is easier to do counter damage but once again uses a lot of stamina with low stun and the initial 2h strong strike is slow

i love my occult longsword, it looks awesome and has a good moveset, its hard to win with it since its so weak(occult), honrable mentions goes to the barbed sword, if it was as long as the longsword i would use it a lot more.

Slow, short and low damage make straight swords alongside the little hammers the worst for PvP. I have tried using a Occult Darksword and I had to redo the build because it was so slow... Maybe I just need more practice with them...

I prefer the balder side sword which is glorious in PvP, but I think they do have a slightly different moveset. Namely the second chain R2 on a longsword is a disembowel move that flows right from the initial R2 thrust (the shortsword is the same, but broadsword is different). If you chain two together you don't have recovery time between the two and I'm not sure the second one can be parried.

Darksword is perfectly usable in PvP (Only weapon I allowed myself during the event ! ) and I have about an equal success rate with a silver knight that I do with a greatsword. they are quick enough to exploit nearly all openings they have a few dead angling attacks and the damage is tolerable

Why not just used the barbed straight sword then?

I tried to love the longsword but needed several stitches after the first hug (it was a platonic relationship).

In PvE swords were my focus and I did rather well with them. I didn't like the movesets for PvP and my style didn't adapt accordingly.

Buggy? were you speaking to me?
It was an event thing seemed silly to go all dark and then a different weapon

My longsword and sunlight straight sword +14 does 300 damage with 30 STr and 30 Dex. But thats not the best thing about straight swords:

-Most people don't know their moveset, and find it to be very dificult to parry

-Two handed, it can easily stunlock

-The rolling attack two handed is one of the fastest attacks on the game, and has a good range


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Too many people don't like using 40/40 builds, so nobody really appreciates the Straight Swords other than the BSS, since that can go into a DEX build...

I have a character that is aiming to use a Dark Sword. i don't use the long sword; I use the broadsword. Broadsword beats a longsword any day.

By the way... Welcome to the forum, I am glad you follow a covenant as you do, you have good taste. Welcome, comrade... unless you mistake it for warriors of sunlight covenant avatar, because that happened twice before.

They're very similar to katanas but with less damage and no bleed. There's not a real benefit to using a longsword over a katana, and I even think katanas have longer range.

The scaling and how the swords have thrusts. Katanas are slashing, while straight swords has slash and thrust (for most. There are a few exceptions for some weapons). Katanas aim only for dexterity mostly, while for straight swords it is mostly a balance. Again, different for some specific weapons.

Ghadis_God wrote:They're very similar to katanas but with less damage and no bleed. There's not a real benefit to using a longsword over a katana, and I even think katanas have longer range.

Nope, not less damage. In fact, maybe more damage if balanced correctly. But yes, no bleed. I'm glad I never found bleed to be so crucial on a build anyway.

Indeed. It is too quick. Rather, poison would be better to make the enemies suffer. bleed? Too quick. Besides, it doesn't work unless the bar gets full, and since everyone rises endurance over 40 these days, and heavy armour is anti-bleed usually, katana's bleed property is hindered to be risked only by the clumsy and inexperienced.

Spam into a greatshield block with an SLB greatsword and watch them panic as they realise its a flamberge

To be honest, I find that people that resort to shields are killed faster by other weapons, unless they have a lightning rapier... The barb great sword has bleed, too.

Ah, but I love my flamberge for its 4 hit kills! 700 damage a hit = godly.

DGH says over 1100 at times, and sometimes even past 1200 damage per hit.

You show me a buffed DGH and I will sit just outside of range and wait for an opening there is no way I will play agressive against a great hammer. I have learnt how much they turn through 180.