Do Anor Londo bosses have to be alive for Darkened PvP?

meridam99 wrote:

Akatik wrote:Wait a minute. Last night, I decided it was finally time to kill Gwyndolin. I killed him, and then Gwynboobs and then the fire keeper. I was human through all of this and after I killed everyone, I still got invaded, twice.

You can still get invaded after you kill off all of the bosses.

You can get invaded until you leave the area and come back.

Looks like I'll need to go back there and wait.

As stated several times, killing Gwyndolin first, then killing Gwynevere will keep the area open for invasions indefinately. You can leave and come back as you please and will always be invaded. The boss is already dead and therefore you can not challange him to stop the invasions. You can also still summon phantoms as well.

If you reverse the killing order (Gwynevere first then Gwyndolin second) you will stop the invasions after Gwyndolin is defeated because you beat the boss of that area.

Pharaun wrote:As stated several times, killing Gwyndolin first, then killing Gwynevere will keep the area open for invasions indefinately. You can leave and come back as you please and will always be invaded. The boss is already dead and therefore you can not challange him to stop the invasions. You can also still summon phantoms as well.

If you reverse the killing order (Gwynevere first then Gwyndolin second) you will stop the invasions after Gwyndolin is defeated because you beat the boss of that area.

If this is true, then my game is glitched. Does this work for anyone else? I thought this was the case until I did it. Now to be perfectly honest, I killed Gwyn before O&S, then killed O&S, then killed the "Amazing Chest". I got invaded after the world turned dark, but then I left and did the Lord Vessel in the Abyss. Went back to Anor Lando, place is dark, but no summon signs and no invasions.

I can't verify about the O&S part. I killed them before I killed Gwyn. That may change things.

I killed them in the order O&S, Gwyndolin, Gwynevere. I left went and did other things came back human and saw the signs and inasions started. Left and came back several other times and there was still invasions. I went to NG+ shortly there after so I can't go back to verify that I am still being invaded but I was every time I went back.

Alright, I found something that might clarify what happened to me last night.

1. I was a member of the darkmoons
2. I killed Gwyndolin first, followed by Gwynevere and the fire keeper
3. I was human through all of this.
4. I got invaded twice after killing the two bosses.

I found this on the wiki...

Additionally, you will be labeled a sort of "eternal sinner", for your current playthrough. This will open you to Darkmoon invasions, even if you absolve your sins

http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Gwyndolin

Maybe I'm just cursed and it doesn't matter what area I'm in, I'll still get invaded.


Edit: Biggie and Smalls have long been dead in my current playthrough.

ok I didnt know that you could still get invaded by the DMB if you killed Gwyndolin

nsane32 wrote:ok I didnt know that you could still get invaded by the DMB if you killed Gwyndolin

It is from the wiki and I can't confirm it 100%.

However, Gwyndolin says "An Eternal Curse upon you!" as he dies. Which could imply that the Darkmoons will forever hunt you down for betraying the covenant.

ok ive never been invaded by DMB because never done regular invasion or killed Gwyndolin

Nope

Akatik wrote:Alright, I found something that might clarify what happened to me last night.

1. I was a member of the darkmoons
2. I killed Gwyndolin first, followed by Gwynevere and the fire keeper
3. I was human through all of this.
4. I got invaded twice after killing the two bosses.

I found this on the wiki...

Additionally, you will be labeled a sort of "eternal sinner", for your current playthrough. This will open you to Darkmoon invasions, even if you absolve your sins

http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Gwyndolin

Maybe I'm just cursed and it doesn't matter what area I'm in, I'll still get invaded.


Edit: Biggie and Smalls have long been dead in my current playthrough.

I don't think absolving your sins has anything to do w/ darkmoons. I get invaded by darkmoons all the time, but when I go to absolve my sins he tells me that I don't have any sins to absolve. I think if you ever get a single indictment you open yourself up to DM invasions for that character for the rest of that chars life.

aceluby wrote:

Akatik wrote:Alright, I found something that might clarify what happened to me last night.

1. I was a member of the darkmoons
2. I killed Gwyndolin first, followed by Gwynevere and the fire keeper
3. I was human through all of this.
4. I got invaded twice after killing the two bosses.

I found this on the wiki...

Additionally, you will be labeled a sort of "eternal sinner", for your current playthrough. This will open you to Darkmoon invasions, even if you absolve your sins

http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Gwyndolin

Maybe I'm just cursed and it doesn't matter what area I'm in, I'll still get invaded.


Edit: Biggie and Smalls have long been dead in my current playthrough.

I don't think absolving your sins has anything to do w/ darkmoons. I get invaded by darkmoons all the time, but when I go to absolve my sins he tells me that I don't have any sins to absolve. I think if you ever get a single indictment you open yourself up to DM invasions for that character for the rest of that chars life.

Yeah, I noticed that too. That's why I don't trust it 100%. Absolving your sins by paying souls to Velka makes NPCs like you again. The only way to "fix" your sins with other players is to get killed by darkmoons.

The way I read it... if you get indicted after an invasion you get -1 sin. If you get killed by an invading darkmoon you get +1 sin. So, this "curse" of Gwyndolin maybe is an eternal sin against you that will never be "fixed" no matter how many times you get invaded by darkmoons.

I just hope it doesn't mess up my gravelord covenant.. but that's a different thread.

The nicknames you guys come up for these bosses!
Thank god for google, I was going to ask the same question in a new post today, but this answered all of my question, spot on! Give me a good reason to remain a Dark Moon and patrol the streets of my lovely, sunlit Anor Londo in the name of the great Gwyndolin!
Time to clean up some sinners, once again, thank you all for answering my questions!

On the illusions issue do not think of Gwynevere or the enemies as illusions. They are magical constructs. They exist as long as the sun shines in anor londo.

DoughGuy wrote:On the illusions issue do not think of Gwynevere or the enemies as illusions. They are magical constructs. They exist as long as the sun shines in anor londo.

Really? That's actually quite fascinating, lore-wise. I never really thought of it like that. Nevertheless, good observation, sir!

The sin that oswald absolves you from is not the Darkmoon sin. It is the sin you get for angering npc's and leaving covenants.

The Darkmoon sin works through indictments. If you check the book of the guilty and you have a 1 or higher next to your name then you will be invaded by darkmoons.

Also, im sure that once you kill Gwyndolin and O&S all invasions in anor londo stop.

Of course this is just how i've gathered things.