invasions vs duels

That's off topic. I will not encourage this behavior!

TehInfamousAmos wrote:Oh - I just put this on topic :x

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chaosrave wrote:I feel like we are losing the sight of invasions... when i first got the game it was all about win no matter what against invaders and as invaders do anything to win... this brought upon alot of crazy moments and longer fights as well as some unpredictable and funny moments... my first that i can think of was getting invaded in sens fortress and while I was hiding in the corner the invader stands near a ledge and i run over and kick him off... now adays we are expected to treat all invasions like "duels"... no healing, no running, no funny tactics... I feel like if you wanted to duel then join the dragon covanent or something... also this does not apply to forest gankers or anor londo gankers... they are just asses lol... what do you guys think? should all invasions be about honorable duels

To the extent that people take their word as "gospel," the honor brigade has placed this standard on people and labeled them "dishonorable" if they do not play according to a set of rules that were set by a small group of people. The fact is this is not a "formal" fighting game. You want formality? then go play tekken or street fighter. Dueling is arranged. Invasions is the survival of the fittest.

martyrsbrigade99 wrote:

chaosrave wrote:I feel like we are losing the sight of invasions... when i first got the game it was all about win no matter what against invaders and as invaders do anything to win... this brought upon alot of crazy moments and longer fights as well as some unpredictable and funny moments... my first that i can think of was getting invaded in sens fortress and while I was hiding in the corner the invader stands near a ledge and i run over and kick him off... now adays we are expected to treat all invasions like "duels"... no healing, no running, no funny tactics... I feel like if you wanted to duel then join the dragon covanent or something... also this does not apply to forest gankers or anor londo gankers... they are just asses lol... what do you guys think? should all invasions be about honorable duels

To the extent that people take their word as "gospel," the honor brigade has placed this standard on people and labeled them "dishonorable" if they do not play according to a set of rules that were set by a small group of people. The fact is this is not a "formal" fighting game. You want formality? then go play tekken or street fighter. Dueling is arranged. Invasions is the survival of the fittest.

I concur, I only expect people to follow rules if we've agreed to them beforehand.

Well there are certain places that the community has arranged as meeting places for duels, such as the Burg, the Kiln, and even the Forest (the Kiln and Forest is infected with gankers). If I want some invasion thrill action I wouldn't be a troll and invade those places where people are expecting to duel others. It's actually nice to have those places for dueling action, something the developer wasn't aware of until now, with the release of matchmaking dueling arenas in the DLC.

WyrmHero wrote:Well there are certain places that the community has arranged as meeting places for duels, such as the Burg, the Kiln, and even the Forest (the Kiln and Forest is infected with gankers). If I want some invasion thrill action I wouldn't be a troll and invade those places where people are expecting to duel others. It's actually nice to have those places for dueling action, something the developer wasn't aware of until now, with the release of matchmaking dueling arenas in the DLC.

Please define exactly, what "the community" is? Is "the community" all of the people who purchased Dark Souls, which, according so some reports are over 1.5 million and includes international players? Is it the "leadership" of the "wikispaces" forums? Or, is it the people/members who frequent "this" particular forum? The fact is, your arrangement is only legitimate insofar as no one plays outside of your set parameters. But because many players do not limit their gameplay to these standards, it cannot be a legitimate arrangement. At best, these places are locations where a set number of people have agreed to play within a certain set of preset guidelines.

Um this Wiki had nothing to do with what the Burg is st SL120 right now on Ps3. If you go there you just get constant invasions from folks who want to duel. There aren't any rules or anything but everyone just faces off bows and fights. How the community got to this point is hard to say but nothing you say can change the fact that this has happened. So if you decide to PvP in the Burg at 120 you should participate in the format, obviously you don't have to.

Also 99% of the players there in the Burg adhere to these guidelines, the ones who don't want to adhere to them are decent enough to just go somewhere else.

+1 Fed. Couldn't have explain it better.

Federally wrote:

Also 99% of the players there in the Burg adhere to these guidelines, the ones who don't want to adhere to them are decent enough to just go somewhere else.

May I ask where this statistic is from?

personal experience id imagine

He did a census, obviously. Welcome to the forum by the way.

Ah okay, I thought that was an actual statistic.

47.9% of statistics are made up on the spot.

This thread is about Invasions vs Duels. Personally, I think duels are better because they are THE FASTEST way to improve your skills. Starting to PvP? Start dueling. Invasions are just all out wars that encourage tactics that are easier to use and give fast, easy kills. But, in duels, trying said tactics will only get you punished, forcing you to work on your own play style and skills, rather than work on your build.

Invasions are fun, and the excitement of getting invaded at the beginning of the game was awesome, but, compared to the PvE of first seeing every boss was simply better. Being invaded wasn't that great for that long. But seeing every boss for the first time simply was.

ParasiticEve wrote:

Federally wrote:

Also 99% of the players there in the Burg adhere to these guidelines, the ones who don't want to adhere to them are decent enough to just go somewhere else.

May I ask where this statistic is from?

From many hours spent hosting/invading PvP in the Burg on my 120. The host always stands on the roof down the stairs from the bonfire, phantom spawns, goes down to the roof, both bow then fight starts. It was always the same whether I hosted, invaded, summoned through Rss/Dragon, even Gravelording. Even if I was clearing mobs as the host I never had a phantom mess with me, they just waited. Only on 2 occasions I had a phantom do something different, one time we instead dueled in the room by the merchant and the other took off thinking I was gonna chase him.

So since I lost count of the total fights I had there the number isn't entirely scientific, though having only 2 variations 99% is a safe estimate.

Now mind you I'm not saying they all adhered to any rules once the duel started. It was generally no holds barred, though typically no one healed and I don't remember anyone running off after the fight started.

Also +1 to Fed.

The Burg is the spot for no heal 1v1s. The term "honorable" is applied out of popularity more than pertinence. It's a term a group of people applied to a playstyle that didnr include ganking and healing, and for some people chain BS. It's just easier to say "honor duel", or some form of the same phrase, than to say a 1v1 fight with no heals or chain BS. If ever I used the phrase honorable with respect to PvP, it wasn't to imply that players who gank, heal, and/or chain BS aren't honorable, just that they employed said tactics.

The root of the issue stems from the application of the term "honorable" as a substitute.

Yeah damage I agree. It seems people take not being in the group called "honorable" as an implies insult, when its not intended that way by most. It's simply a word used to describe a particular situation. Then again things get muddled by those who expect so called 'honor' at all times and get very angry when they don't get what they want.