my first 40/40 build

i wanted to make a build with 40 str and 40 dex. this wil also be my first DW, thats why i wanted to cosplay as a darkwraith for a while. im fine with the med roll but i would like to have a bit more health.
thoughts?
PS. wyrm this is the build that i will make during our coop.

EDIT: lol i forgot to post the build http://tinyurl.com/887q4hw

It looks solid to me. The problem with a 40/40 is there aren't many stats left to get a good buff. So, you have to sacrifice if you want a good buff. IDK, I've toyed with a GMW 40/40, but I really don't buff in FC, so I haven't made one.

i might skip the buff and use resins instead. that would let me put more points in vit/end. don’t really know yet but since buff requirements always are the last i put points into i can see how well i do without a buff before i get to sl 120

I really like the poison buff.

i like it too but i almost never get the poison to kick in. i think i will use fire buff/PW/grass

reim0027 wrote:It looks solid to me. The problem with a 40/40 is there aren't many stats left to get a good buff. So, you have to sacrifice if you want a good buff. IDK, I've toyed with a GMW 40/40, but I really don't buff in FC, so I haven't made one.

That's my main reserve about FC. I'm garbage against buffs. I mean, since the majority of us aren't buttholes we let players buff, but it doesn't make any sense to just GIVE someone what is essentially double damage. At least. And you can't use GMB to counter. So what exactly are you supposed to do against FC dudes who buff?

dodge until their buff runs out? are you allowed to do that? i haven’t been in FC much

Realistically that's not a plausible solution. Assuming you could actually dodge EVERY attack for a full minute, despite lag and an environment free of cover, it's essentially a waste of both players' time to force one of them to try evading for a solid minute.

I assume you can't use GMB in FC because it would poop on intel builds, but it's also a good counter for buffs, but you can't use it. Why not? It's just a pain in the *** to duel against another player who deals at least twice the damage with the same weapon, and all you can do is try to dip for a full minute.

Don't underestimate Great Magic Weapon! Only takes 15 Int, and is stronger than any resin. But really, with maxed Str and Dex scaling, you don't really need a buff. You'll be surprised how much damage you'll deal.

Resins only add about 150 AR, which is virtually negated by armor at SL120, so you'll get practically no extra damage from it (no joke: 10-20 damage, max, I'd guess). GMW gives 198 extra AR, which will get you a bit more damage, but really not a lot (depending on opponent's armor, will give you an extra 50 damage, if that).

Instead, I'd recommend you get as many points in Vit and End, increase your survivability, and you'll get much more benefits out of that than trying to squeeze a bit extra damage by giving yourself a tiny bit of extra damage from a split attack type (magic, elemental, on top of your maxed physical).

If its a build STRICTLY for FC, then you can invest in SB. But realistically, outside of FC, buffing doesn't really go down all that well. And I agree with CK. I equate it with standing there and taking a Crystal Soul Spear to the face. A cast is a cast. once that cast starts, the fight is basically on.

Me and DarkW had some duels a while back with no buffs and they were a bit better since they lasted longer (less damage taken and less rushing to take advantage of the buff). Unfortunately, buffs are so prevalent in FC builds that banning them would essentially ruin some peoples build. As pure Dex, STR, or the 40/40 you made would IMO have the advantage in those fights as the extra skill points would go to helth and vit.

In fairness though, my two main FC fighters don't use buffs (pure STR and DEX with some pyro) and I still do well. But like Blaine broke down above, getting the best AR out of your weapons could be the difference between a win or a loss. But I agree with Blaine, with 40/40 and a weapon with good scaling you can just pop some resin for effect since you'll be doing plenty of damage espeically at the 120 level.



P.S. Now I want a 40/40 build.

most of use while having the option to buff do not buff, it makes the fights last longer and longer fights=more fun. just come down to the pit once and see how you like it.

edit; some of use use FC to practice with new weapons or builds and see how they work out. i just recently went back to the large club and i like it a lot, my set up is large club with rotten resin and full hollow thief set with egghead.

I'll be there for the next round of 225 FC. And it makes more sense that most people in it wouldn't buff. Just doesn't seem like the group's style to use 'em in a duel.

i tweaked the build a little and this is what it looks like now. http://tinyurl.com/7llc64v i want the faith for GLS, this will be a mainly coop build that i might duel with

i would say dont worry about the buff. go 40/40/40/40 with a few points left over for pyro/vit/att. ive got power whithin on this build and would never use it in fc..most people dont buff in fc(even tho they can), it just makes the battle longer and the few times it happens i find it fun to practice dodging. few months back there were way more buff builds and i made one for fc, by the time i was done my dex faith dmb/slb i found no one was buffing anymore. so made the 40/40... havent used my buffer since!

@damage - the no gmb came up during these buffed three hit duel times, opp 1 buff dmb/cmw. opp 2 buff gmb then buff slb.......sooo!. if someone does buff now (dmb/slb/cmw) and i resin(which is void) and win. its pretty special so its not that bad

looks cool dude, if you pick a bandit you can get one more point in vit or end but that's just me, im used to min/maxing. i have ten different builds and i only use my leeroy build and my faith build, i just really like them a lot and we've gone through some tough times together, specially with my faith build getting gravelorded a lot recently.

DamageCK wrote:

reim0027 wrote:It looks solid to me. The problem with a 40/40 is there aren't many stats left to get a good buff. So, you have to sacrifice if you want a good buff. IDK, I've toyed with a GMW 40/40, but I really don't buff in FC, so I haven't made one.

That's my main reserve about FC. I'm garbage against buffs. I mean, since the majority of us aren't buttholes we let players buff, but it doesn't make any sense to just GIVE someone what is essentially double damage. At least. And you can't use GMB to counter. So what exactly are you supposed to do against FC dudes who buff?

What I do is equip a Hornet's Ring and Poison buff. Since I use a Rapier, it hits quick enough to poison fairly easily. Since I parry often, I consider the Hornet's a buff. But, I don't equip it if my opponent buffs (I feel too cheap). And, GMW using the Oolacile's cat is pretty good (especially for the stats it requires).

The only buffs that really make the difference are the big three. Resins are fine with me because I'm still allotted a decent margin of error for whiffs and stuff. As for the hornet ring, you could make the argument that it's on the same level as a buff regarding damage, but there's no BS in FC so the only time it's worth anything in the fight is a parry. As far as I'm concerned, if I get parried they earned the damage. Even if it's an OHK.

any 40/40 build should use washing pole imo.