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    The Entire Dark Souls Fighting System, done in 2001

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:56 pm

    If you are wondering which game, it would be Obi-Wan, the mediocre original xbox game in which you controlled obi-wan through the first star wars movie.

    It's an action game and feels like it, the gimmick is that the right stick controls your lightsaber, and whichever way to push the stick obi-wan swings. Other than that, you can use force which changes your attacks to more powerful version, some other throw away mechanics like a roll function, an acrobatic function, a lock on function, etc.

    But being the game it generally is, and the enemies you fight, the game boils down to reflecting blasters from enemies and using the block function. Overall, it has cleverly built level (really cleverly built), but the combat isn't that intense, and any of the duels really boil down to hold block and hoping the enemy does a ridiculous recoil.

    I just replayed it, since I had already beaten all the other games on my shelf, and my xbox 360 wasn't working, and generally acknowledged how mediocre it was other than the clever level design. Then I noticed something.

    The lock on mechanic, which I never bothered using, is actually very well done. Sometimes it locks-off, but it doesn't generally affect the fight. Secondly, the roll can actually be used to dodge attacks, it doesn't have I-frames, but any attack can be dodged with it, and the model collision is excellent so you can effectively duck under and around other lightsabers and weapons.

    The block function is still OP, because that is what you are meant to use to beat the game, waiting for the enemy to recoil flagrantly and randomly. But when I was fighting one of the enemies which you aren't supposed to defeat in normal dueling, of blocking and what-not and use force powers instead, I decided to duel him. Blocking didn't effectively work, so I tried dodging for the first time. Suddenly, this 2001 xbox title felt ridiculously similar to dark souls.

    As I looked more into the combat system, I honestly found it to be even a little tighter than Dark Soul's combat system, and a little tenser as there are no i-frames, you can choose the direction of your attack, and the roll doesn't go very far.

    Further, there is a stagger function, tied to some stamina that the game doesn't show you, because you aren't expected to care. Also, other NPC who you duel often use a kick which does no damage most have, and just staggers your character. But, the player doesn't have this ability, why? Because they don't need it to beat the game.

    Really, this game had exactly what dark souls has now, it just didn't expect players to care, and instead presented a throw-away action game of slicing up droids, and ignored the strangely indepth dueling system it had. This is also shown in how they made the dodge/roll B, and your lightsaber right stick, there was no thought about it.

    Basically, what is going on with this game? And I'm going to start using its throw-away split screen two player to duel my dark souls friends when they come over now.

    I'm surprised.


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    Re: The Entire Dark Souls Fighting System, done in 2001

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:22 pm

    Pretty interesting. I like games with good combat, that just feels right. It's why dark souls got me. And why I want to buy dragons dogma, despite the horrible story.

    I'm hoping more companies focus on the feeling and combat of their games, rather than the horrible story, or mediocre atmosphere. I'm talking about skyrim. silly I bought that game. I admit it.


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    Re: The Entire Dark Souls Fighting System, done in 2001

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:26 pm

    Oh, I still don't suggest getting this game. The combat feel isn't really in the game, it is there, but not really used in the game.


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    Re: The Entire Dark Souls Fighting System, done in 2001

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:27 pm

    Naw. I don't play games from previous consoles, unless i did as a kid. Then I want the nostalgia.


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    Re: The Entire Dark Souls Fighting System, done in 2001

    Post by Hue on Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:28 pm

    I think i'll stick with Dark Souls...yeah...


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    Re: The Entire Dark Souls Fighting System, done in 2001

    Post by The Letter X on Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:32 pm

    I remember watching a friend of mine play the game, and I can understand what you mean.


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    Re: The Entire Dark Souls Fighting System, done in 2001

    Post by BLA1NE on Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:41 pm

    That's why we have to be thankful for From Soft and Demon's Souls! To think how lucky we are Demon's Souls was even made in the first place... It was an extremely bold and ballsy move on From's part to make a game entirely catering to the hardcore crowd (and we know in the end it paid off big time). Sounds like Obi-Wan could've been a good game if the devs (or most likely their producers) had decided to make it for a more hardcore crowd, and utilized the potential of their combat system, rather than cower-out and make the game too straightforward to the point where it rendered its own combat system half-useless.


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    Re: The Entire Dark Souls Fighting System, done in 2001

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:54 am

    BLA1NE wrote:That's why we have to be thankful for From Soft and Demon's Souls! To think how lucky we are Demon's Souls was even made in the first place... It was an extremely bold and ballsy move on From's part to make a game entirely catering to the hardcore crowd (and we know in the end it paid off big time). Sounds like Obi-Wan could've been a good game if the devs (or most likely their producers) had decided to make it for a more hardcore crowd, and utilized the potential of their combat system, rather than cower-out and make the game too straightforward to the point where it rendered its own combat system half-useless.

    I read about it, and it looks like it was going to be a more hardcore lightsaber dueling game for the PC, but during development it got ported to the xbox, and they really stripped it.


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    Re: The Entire Dark Souls Fighting System, done in 2001

    Post by BLA1NE on Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:42 pm

    ^I hate it even more when they do that. "Oh we're making it for consoles now, we have to make it more casual." That is a completely idiotic habit of developers (or is it their producers?). Just like console FPSs that feel they ABSOLUTELY MUST have aim-assist because it's on consoles. NO, we DON'T need aim-assist. Just learn to *** aim, that's all.

    Sorry, that's an issue that really annoys me!


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    Re: The Entire Dark Souls Fighting System, done in 2001

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:00 pm

    Well. . . because PC gamers is master race.


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