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    Lugged

    Post by Buggy Virus on Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:23 pm

    1. A handle or projection used as a hold or support.
    2. A lug nut.
    3. Nautical A lugsail.
    4. A projecting part of a larger piece that helps to provide traction, as on a tire or the sole of a boot.
    5. A copper or brass fitting to which electrical wires can be soldered or otherwise connected.
    6. Slang A clumsy fool; a blockhead.

    I'm still confused.


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by PlasticandRage on Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:26 pm

    You and me both.


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by Hue on Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:38 pm

    1. What?
    2. What?
    3. What?
    4. What?
    5. What?
    6. What?

    What?


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:40 pm

    Number 1 and number 4 (mainly 1)

    He uses a winged spear where there are also additional hand holds. For his purposes they would pierce a dragon and do two purposes.

    1. Prevent the spear from penetrating too deeply, as to be irretrievable (although he actually has a few designs elements to do this meaning he's hoping no to stab as deep as the handles but they're a good last resort),

    2. Allow for extra leverage to remove the spear



    It's possible the handle is also number 5, allowing electricity into the spear to be channeled as a weapon

    EDIT: For those of you questioning the question, the Leo Ring describes Ornstein as carrying a "lugged spear."

    The DSS is indeed very lugged Very lugged indeed

    Sorry for the double post but it's possible the handle is also number 5, allowing electricity into the spear to be channeled as a weapon

    EDIT: For those of you questioning the question, the Leo Ring describes Ornstein as carrying a "lugged spear."

    The DSS is indeed very lugged

    Very lugged indeed




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    Re: Lugged

    Post by Buggy Virus on Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:58 pm

    Those aren't lugs, you don't hold them for support.


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by The Letter X on Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:02 pm

    I see it as: Lugged - difficult to wield properly. Hence number 6.


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by Sloth9230 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:02 pm

    The charactrer does in the two handed R2 I believe, the second part of the attack


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:02 pm

    Buggy Virus wrote:Those aren't lugs, you don't hold them for support.

    He holds them for the strong piercing attack though.


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:03 pm

    As I stated above, Ornstein would indeed use them for support. Penetrating a dragon, which is why there's a comparison to a boulder would require a large amount of force to do. Consequently, removing the weapon would also require a large amount of force. He would use those instead of the main shaft to remove the weapon and move on to the next kill. Having a little experience with removing arrows and spears from wood targets I can tell you removing them is a pain due to the awkwardness of your wrist angle. Now multiply that difficulty due to rock hard dragon scales, etc. and you can see why he has a modified Dragon Slayer Spear with lugs to more effectively remove his weapon.


    EDIT: And that's in addition to what Sloth and Wyrm said



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    Re: Lugged

    Post by Sloth9230 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:04 pm

    and it's a cross...


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by Hue on Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:06 pm

    mmm...mmm...oh-oh...aaah-ha!

    I get it now...god dammit, i'm stupid sometimes
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    Re: Lugged

    Post by Buggy Virus on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:47 am

    Those aren't there for support in pulling out the spear, they're common things on plenty of spears, especially boar hunting spears, or the spears you see in a bull fight. They aren't there to help you pull out the spear, but rather to keep the spear from penetrating too far, you're never supposed to touch those with your hands.


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by Sloth9230 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:53 am

    The player character does though, and I'm pretty Ornstein does too.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boar_spear

    I'm not sure if the things on the winged spear are also called lugs. I think the wikipeida article is saying boar spears either have "lugs" or "wings" not that they're the same thing.


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by skarekrow13 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:05 am

    Buggy, what you're talking about regarding additional penetration are the "wings" on a winged spear. For reference, look at the winged spear. Ornstein's spear has several features before the handles that would also serve this end.

    I would say the first six inches are for infantry use. Notice the thinner blade and smaller wings. Six inches is plenty lethal on a human. In addition to the wings, the spear blade is then reinforced, becoming more like a cylinder than a blade to assist the small wings in stopping penetration into a human and to increase strength for....larger victims.

    After it turns cylindrical, you'll notice it broadens significantly again. Just like the infantry blade.

    Then, it has a decorative feature....like a guard on a sword. Also similar to some winged spear designs. Also meant to prevent further penetration.

    Then....notice I also said the handles would be the last stop in going too deep in my first post. So yeah, the handles are a last resort to get the spear back but:

    A. Watch the video, (thanks Sloth and Wyrm for remembering that attack). They are clearly used as handles

    B. I've seen lots of spear variants, including boar hunting spears. I've never seen a common spear design with handles like the DSS. Boar hunting spears are prototypical of a winged spear. This one is the closest I can find to handles like the DSS like you suggest and, sorry, but this is still no comparison.


    Now, I admit freely that I'm speculating on unsaid uses for some of the above (infantry, dragon kill removal) but I hope I've at least offered some evidence for the theories I've put out.

    So...I hate to beat a dead horse here but unless you provide some evidence besides "nuh uh" I gotta conclude that they're handles for support for at least one maneuver. AKA...lugs

    EDIT: Forgot to acknowledge Sloth's latest post too. I've never heard of the wings being called lugs before but there it is in the article. Also, thanks for the post Sloth. Great pic of a winged spear.


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:39 pm

    In regular boar hunting spears, they're to prevent the boar from going up the spear to gore the user.

    Normally spears were planted and the boar's own weight was used against it. The cross section was to protect the user. It's my opinion the same is true for Orn's spear.

    Lugs and wings are the same thing.

    Finally, the blade is to provide initial penetration; if its the same size as the shaft, there will be no additional resistance pushing it in further. Also, more metal on the end means more weight, which means a bigger counter weight for balance, so you want just enough metal on the end to do the job.

    Lugs are to keep your impaled enemy at bay.


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:06 pm

    Watching the video I guess it seems reasonable that it would be used for additional support, since it isn't near the blade. This is kind of weird for a spear design, but ok.


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    Re: Lugged

    Post by BLA1NE on Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:24 am

    ^It's a spear meant to kill dragons... not gonna be generic!


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