Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

I've never done this but some mages I'm planning will try it. Basically you get Int to 44 and equip Velka's Talisman. However the miracle won't get a boost from Dusk Crown nor BDCR. Gwyndolin's Crown boosts both miracles and sorcery so that would be the best choice, though I mostly equip my builds for looks. Fire Tempest seems like the most logical choice for an AoE spell but GLGS Dance looks awesome, especially with dark magic. I wonder which 1 is faster at very low Dex.

if your a +3 gravelord servant the spell gets a 40% boost, whereas if your not a member it loses 10%

I'm pretty sure Crown of Dusk boosts Miracles as well.
I can even go test it out tonight if you want.

Anyway...
I think this depends on your Faith.

If you have no Faith at all you're better off using a Fire Tempest.
While it has less casts and doesn't do that nice flying effect to your enemies, it will do more damage, casts faster and it's affected by Bellowing and Crown as well as Sorceries.

If your build has some Faith, then by all means stick to this, because you can use more Miracles with that Talisman than Gravelord and that can be very handy at times.

the glgsd has no faith req so you can go pure int and use it with velka's tali... but a full hand slot for a single spell talisman?, best to have at least 12 faith for heal and force in addition to what you have. also with the 40% boost of being a +3 gravelord glgsd out damages firetempest.

really? GLGSD can out damage firetempest? i might have to think about having my moonlight build (50INT, MLGS and MLBH) join the Servants.

does anyone know if dexterity affects the casting speed of GLGSD?

It affects tempest, so I would assume so.

Nybbles wrote:really? GLGSD can out damage firetempest? i might have to think about having my moonlight build (50INT, MLGS and MLBH) join the Servants.

does anyone know if dexterity affects the casting speed of GLGSD?

I've heard that it doesn't, but who knows. Either way I wouldn't spend Dex points on a pure mage just for some speed, unless I want to use a Dex/Int pyro sorcery hybrid.

Sentiel wrote:I'm pretty sure Crown of Dusk boosts Miracles as well.
I can even go test it out tonight if you want.

Anyway...
I think this depends on your Faith.

If you have no Faith at all you're better off using a Fire Tempest.
While it has less casts and doesn't do that nice flying effect to your enemies, it will do more damage, casts faster and it's affected by Bellowing and Crown as well as Sorceries.

If your build has some Faith, then by all means stick to this, because you can use more Miracles with that Talisman than Gravelord and that can be very handy at times.

You're right Dusk Crown affects miracles as well. I'm just thinking about this. If I had 30 Faith, the mag adj would be 172, GLGS Dance would actually be weaker unless I equip Firstborn's Ring on the faith build. The only way to make the miracle stronger than an Int build is by having 50 Faith, which I would rather use WoG since it's a better AoE. The big question would be: which one is stronger/faster? Fire Tempest with Bellowing or GLGS Dance with GL covenant +3????

Edit: One can assume Fire Tempest is gonna be stronger since the pyro flame has 230 mag adj, but as someone said, mag adj values are different in strength depending on the medium used (catalyst, talusman or pyro). For example 230 pyro flame might actually be weaker than 172 canvas talisman. Further testing is needed!!!!!

Dusk Crown works on miracles just fine.

I'd vote for tempest, but I'd like to see someone test the fixed Chaos Firestorm, seeing as they supposedly fixed the humanity scaling.

I vote for Fire Tempest because if you have an Int caster with Bellowing and Crown of Dusk, both will boost Tempest's damage, while if you use GLGSD it gets boost only from Crown, not the ring.
Also, you can use other Pyromancies without need to invest points into specific stat, while you would need to invest points into Faith to use other Miracles beside GLGSD.

is anyone here planning on testing glgs?

we should make up a list of things to test for the aoe spells and getter done. i can't record frames anymore tho..

I have a 45 Dex/50 Faith build, if I have the time I'll try some testing.

you got fire tempest too right.

if you cast glgs in a confined area all the blades stack right? and they track enemies to a degree too right?

I don't have FT but will try it for speed and power. I don't know the other 2 though.

WyrmHero wrote:

Nybbles wrote:really? GLGSD can out damage firetempest? i might have to think about having my moonlight build (50INT, MLGS and MLBH) join the Servants.

does anyone know if dexterity affects the casting speed of GLGSD?

I've heard that it doesn't, but who knows. Either way I wouldn't spend Dex points on a pure mage just for some speed, unless I want to use a Dex/Int pyro sorcery hybrid.

good point

Sentiel wrote:I vote for Fire Tempest because if you have an Int caster with Bellowing and Crown of Dusk, both will boost Tempest's damage, while if you use GLGSD it gets boost only from Crown, not the ring.
Also, you can use other Pyromancies without need to invest points into specific stat, while you would need to invest points into Faith to use other Miracles beside GLGSD.

i don't think there are that many miracles other than WoG or GMB that are terribly good and that sort of FTH investment on an INT build is not worthwhile. if you have enough faith to use those miracles, wouldn't the canvas talisman be better than velka's? even at 50 INT? i would almost say that velka's only real use is for INT builds to be able to use GLGSD.

investing in Pyromancies does offer more versatility though. so there's that to consider as well.

I'm a gl+3 with 30 fth and tempest out damages glgs by a lot.

I was testing this against the burg hollows.

But I can test more with people if needed. I was pissed 75 eyes and I wanted that extra boost.

abmoner wrote:I'm a gl+3 with 30 fth and tempest out damages glgs by a lot.

I was testing this against the burg hollows.

But I can test more with people if needed. I was pissed 75 eyes and I wanted that extra boost.

How about some numbers? Using the ring and crown?

the hollows are extremely weak to fire... also 30 aint enough faith to compete with a maxed pyro hand with 230 mag adjust, a dark moon tali gets 226 at 50 faith, that with the appropriate boosters can make damage climb into the 1200's or more

My 30 fth was for other reasons I didn't know it scaled since it has no fth req.

But like I said I'm open to more testing.

I kind of gave up on it because after I went from +2 to +3 I didn't see big differences

I tried the ring but not the crown. Would never use the crown so I don't care about it.

Only added about 100 damage

I think it was like 525 DMG with glgs

And like 800 DMG with tempest.

which talisman are you using? also glgsd can scale with faith or int depending on which talisman your using (all normal talismans for faith, velka's talisman for int scaling), any way this is exactly why i say pyro is imbalanced, all you need are 2-4 points in attunement and you have a really powerful form of casting at your finger tips. where as for miracles you must have 40 to 50 faith to reach an equivalent level of power.

Canvas

hmm well that is the best talisman for 30 faith, oh well, someone here tested the glgsd damage and posted results... i can't remember the thread name though...