Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

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    Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:36 am

    I've never done this but some mages I'm planning will try it. Basically you get Int to 44 and equip Velka's Talisman. However the miracle won't get a boost from Dusk Crown nor BDCR. Gwyndolin's Crown boosts both miracles and sorcery so that would be the best choice, though I mostly equip my builds for looks. Fire Tempest seems like the most logical choice for an AoE spell but GLGS Dance looks awesome, especially with dark magic. I wonder which 1 is faster at very low Dex.


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:46 am

    if your a +3 gravelord servant the spell gets a 40% boost, whereas if your not a member it loses 10%


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by Sentiel on Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:09 am

    I'm pretty sure Crown of Dusk boosts Miracles as well.
    I can even go test it out tonight if you want.

    Anyway...
    I think this depends on your Faith.

    If you have no Faith at all you're better off using a Fire Tempest.
    While it has less casts and doesn't do that nice flying effect to your enemies, it will do more damage, casts faster and it's affected by Bellowing and Crown as well as Sorceries.

    If your build has some Faith, then by all means stick to this, because you can use more Miracles with that Talisman than Gravelord and that can be very handy at times.

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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:00 pm

    the glgsd has no faith req so you can go pure int and use it with velka's tali... but a full hand slot for a single spell talisman?, best to have at least 12 faith for heal and force in addition to what you have. also with the 40% boost of being a +3 gravelord glgsd out damages firetempest.


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by Nybbles on Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:21 pm

    really? GLGSD can out damage firetempest? i might have to think about having my moonlight build (50INT, MLGS and MLBH) join the Servants.

    does anyone know if dexterity affects the casting speed of GLGSD?
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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:25 pm

    It affects tempest, so I would assume so.


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:23 pm

    Nybbles wrote:really? GLGSD can out damage firetempest? i might have to think about having my moonlight build (50INT, MLGS and MLBH) join the Servants.

    does anyone know if dexterity affects the casting speed of GLGSD?

    I've heard that it doesn't, but who knows. Either way I wouldn't spend Dex points on a pure mage just for some speed, unless I want to use a Dex/Int pyro sorcery hybrid.


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:31 pm

    Sentiel wrote:I'm pretty sure Crown of Dusk boosts Miracles as well.
    I can even go test it out tonight if you want.

    Anyway...
    I think this depends on your Faith.

    If you have no Faith at all you're better off using a Fire Tempest.
    While it has less casts and doesn't do that nice flying effect to your enemies, it will do more damage, casts faster and it's affected by Bellowing and Crown as well as Sorceries.

    If your build has some Faith, then by all means stick to this, because you can use more Miracles with that Talisman than Gravelord and that can be very handy at times.

    You're right Dusk Crown affects miracles as well. I'm just thinking about this. If I had 30 Faith, the mag adj would be 172, GLGS Dance would actually be weaker unless I equip Firstborn's Ring on the faith build. The only way to make the miracle stronger than an Int build is by having 50 Faith, which I would rather use WoG since it's a better AoE. The big question would be: which one is stronger/faster? Fire Tempest with Bellowing or GLGS Dance with GL covenant +3????

    Edit: One can assume Fire Tempest is gonna be stronger since the pyro flame has 230 mag adj, but as someone said, mag adj values are different in strength depending on the medium used (catalyst, talusman or pyro). For example 230 pyro flame might actually be weaker than 172 canvas talisman. Further testing is needed!!!!!


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:42 pm

    Dusk Crown works on miracles just fine.

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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by cloudyeki on Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:00 pm

    I'd vote for tempest, but I'd like to see someone test the fixed Chaos Firestorm, seeing as they supposedly fixed the humanity scaling.


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by Sentiel on Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:13 am

    I vote for Fire Tempest because if you have an Int caster with Bellowing and Crown of Dusk, both will boost Tempest's damage, while if you use GLGSD it gets boost only from Crown, not the ring.
    Also, you can use other Pyromancies without need to invest points into specific stat, while you would need to invest points into Faith to use other Miracles beside GLGSD.

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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by Rifter7 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:36 am

    is anyone here planning on testing glgs?

    we should make up a list of things to test for the aoe spells and getter done. i can't record frames anymore tho..


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:52 am

    I have a 45 Dex/50 Faith build, if I have the time I'll try some testing.


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by Rifter7 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:54 am

    you got fire tempest too right.

    if you cast glgs in a confined area all the blades stack right? and they track enemies to a degree too right?


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:56 am

    I don't have FT but will try it for speed and power. I don't know the other 2 though.


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by Nybbles on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:06 pm

    WyrmHero wrote:
    Nybbles wrote:really? GLGSD can out damage firetempest? i might have to think about having my moonlight build (50INT, MLGS and MLBH) join the Servants.

    does anyone know if dexterity affects the casting speed of GLGSD?

    I've heard that it doesn't, but who knows. Either way I wouldn't spend Dex points on a pure mage just for some speed, unless I want to use a Dex/Int pyro sorcery hybrid.

    good point

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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by Nybbles on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:27 pm

    Sentiel wrote:I vote for Fire Tempest because if you have an Int caster with Bellowing and Crown of Dusk, both will boost Tempest's damage, while if you use GLGSD it gets boost only from Crown, not the ring.
    Also, you can use other Pyromancies without need to invest points into specific stat, while you would need to invest points into Faith to use other Miracles beside GLGSD.

    i don't think there are that many miracles other than WoG or GMB that are terribly good and that sort of FTH investment on an INT build is not worthwhile. if you have enough faith to use those miracles, wouldn't the canvas talisman be better than velka's? even at 50 INT? i would almost say that velka's only real use is for INT builds to be able to use GLGSD.

    investing in Pyromancies does offer more versatility though. so there's that to consider as well.

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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by abmoner on Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:44 pm

    I'm a gl+3 with 30 fth and tempest out damages glgs by a lot.

    I was testing this against the burg hollows.

    But I can test more with people if needed. I was pissed 75 eyes and I wanted that extra boost.
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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:26 pm

    abmoner wrote:I'm a gl+3 with 30 fth and tempest out damages glgs by a lot.

    I was testing this against the burg hollows.

    But I can test more with people if needed. I was pissed 75 eyes and I wanted that extra boost.

    How about some numbers? Using the ring and crown?


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:40 pm

    the hollows are extremely weak to fire... also 30 aint enough faith to compete with a maxed pyro hand with 230 mag adjust, a dark moon tali gets 226 at 50 faith, that with the appropriate boosters can make damage climb into the 1200's or more


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by abmoner on Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:16 am

    My 30 fth was for other reasons I didn't know it scaled since it has no fth req.

    But like I said I'm open to more testing.

    I kind of gave up on it because after I went from +2 to +3 I didn't see big differences

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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by abmoner on Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:20 am

    I tried the ring but not the crown. Would never use the crown so I don't care about it.

    Only added about 100 damage

    I think it was like 525 DMG with glgs

    And like 800 DMG with tempest.
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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:01 pm

    which talisman are you using? also glgsd can scale with faith or int depending on which talisman your using (all normal talismans for faith, velka's talisman for int scaling), any way this is exactly why i say pyro is imbalanced, all you need are 2-4 points in attunement and you have a really powerful form of casting at your finger tips. where as for miracles you must have 40 to 50 faith to reach an equivalent level of power.


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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by abmoner on Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:10 pm

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    Re: Using GLGS Dance as a sorcery AoE

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:12 pm

    hmm well that is the best talisman for 30 faith, oh well, someone here tested the glgsd damage and posted results... i can't remember the thread name though...


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