Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

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    Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by Red Rosie on Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:15 am

    Hello all,

    Ive been hearing alot of stuff about the Manus catalyst scaling with strength or having a hidden modifier for dark magic etc so thought I would try this out...

    These spells were casted on all 3 of the hollows on the bridge next to the sunlight alter...


    50 INT / 14 STR

    Logans catalyst (236 MagAdjust)

    Crystal soul spear - 765

    Dark orb - 389


    Tin crystal catalyst (293 MMagAdjust)

    Crystal soul spear - 950

    Dark orb - 492

    Manus catalyst (275 MagAdjust)

    Crystal soul spear - 892

    Dark orb - 468



    50 INT / 50 STR

    Logans catalyst (236 MagAdjust)

    Crystal soul spear - 765

    Dark orb - 401


    Tin crystal catalyst (293 MagAdjust

    Crystal soul spear - 950

    Dark orb - 511


    Manus catalyst (275 MagAdjust)

    Crystal soul spear - 892

    Dark orb - 566


    Conclusions

    - The displayed MajAdjust doesnt change at all.

    - Higher STR doesnt affect the crystal soul spear at all, no matter which catalyst is used.

    - Higher STR does however, increase the dark orb damage, on all 3 catalysts.

    - The Manus catalyst does also appear to have an extra (STR?) modifier for dark magic, since its dark orb damage was higher than the tin crystal caatalyst at 50/50, but not 50/14.

    - Whilst I was at this, I tested black flame at both stats, the damage was the same both times, so is only affected by the lvl of the pyro hand.


    I hope this helps, if theres anything else that can be added to this please feel free to set me straight, and if there is anything else you would like testing, let me know and ill get it done

    Rosie =)

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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by Red Rosie on Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:37 am

    Just some more info...

    The Manus catalyst requires 14 STR to use. Dark Orb cast at 12 STR/50 INT came out as 394, and at 14 STR/50 INT came out at 467. So the minimum STR requirement does play some part in the magic, and not just the melee attack.

    (Not terribly important)

    however...

    The tin crystal catalyst and Manus catalyst both did 498 dark orb damage at 21 STR/50 INT. So 21 STR is the break point if you are wanting to increase dark magic with STR and the use of the Manus catalyst.


    Again, hope this helps (sorry for the big post lol)


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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by hageshisa on Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:38 am

    This good to know Rosie! Thank you for testing ^.^


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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by Rynn on Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:56 am

    Mind quickly two handing the catalysts and seeing if it further improves damage?
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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by Sentiel on Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:17 am

    Amazing post. Thank you Rosie. Proper Bow

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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:39 pm

    Thanks for corroborating rosie. I've found that at 27 Str/32 Int Manus and TCC basically do same damage for dark sorcery. When I did the tests Str didn't increase Dark Orb damage with the Oolacile catalyst. Based on your results it seems that Manus boosts dark sorcery damage considerably compared to other catalysts. However, the boost is small compared to as increasing Int.


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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by Lord of Ash on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:50 pm

    I like you rosie your post and videos are ...informative most of the research I do I keep to myself


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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:12 pm

    Thank goodness for there finally being some concrete testing. Proper Bow

    So unless you don't plan on exceeding 21 Strength the Manus is worthless? Pretty much what I had suspected. silly

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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by GkMrBane on Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:20 pm

    Hmm yes I love reading threads with so much info packed inside. .......yummy info Thanks.

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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by Shakie666 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:26 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:Thank goodness for there finally being some concrete testing.

    So unless you don't plan on exceeding 21 Strength the Manus is worthless? Pretty much what I had suspected. silly

    I would like to point out that the minimum int requirement for the Manus is only 14 (I think).Thats WAY lower than the TCC. The MagAdjust for Manus is 198 (I think) at 14 int, which is better than the ivory catalyst. If you're doing a low lvl dark bead/GMW build then Manus might be the way to go, especially if its also a str hybrid.
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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:38 pm

    True. For low levels of Intelligence it's probably the best even with castings halved.

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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:36 pm

    Shakie666 wrote:
    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:Thank goodness for there finally being some concrete testing.

    So unless you don't plan on exceeding 21 Strength the Manus is worthless? Pretty much what I had suspected. silly

    I would like to point out that the minimum int requirement for the Manus is only 14 (I think).Thats WAY lower than the TCC. The MagAdjust for Manus is 198 (I think) at 14 int, which is better than the ivory catalyst. If you're doing a low lvl dark bead/GMW build then Manus might be the way to go, especially if its also a str hybrid.

    Wrong, at 16 Int it's a mere ~120 mag adj, according to mugenmonkey.


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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by BLA1NE on Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:21 pm

    ^Mugen's been wrong before! If you want reliable Mag Adj numbers, refer to our Wiki:

    http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Magic+Adjustment

    But I'm looking at mugenmonkey now, and the numbers seem to be the same as the wiki's. Seems it's you who was wrong! silly


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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by Shakie666 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:04 pm

    BLA1NE wrote:^Mugen's been wrong before! If you want reliable Mag Adj numbers, refer to our Wiki:

    http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Magic+Adjustment

    But I'm looking at mugenmonkey now, and the numbers seem to be the same as the wiki's. Seems it's you who was wrong! silly

    Now I feel like such an idiot :x

    I was unaware that the magadjust for the Manus was so low at the minimum int required, I just read somewhere it was 198 at 14 int silly
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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by ChizFreak on Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:53 pm

    Red Rosie Sugar wrote:Just some more info...

    The Manus catalyst requires 14 STR to use. Dark Orb cast at 12 STR/50 INT came out as 394, and at 14 STR/50 INT came out at 467. So the minimum STR requirement does play some part in the magic, and not just the melee attack.

    (Not terribly important)

    however...

    The tin crystal catalyst and Manus catalyst both did 498 dark orb damage at 21 STR/50 INT. So 21 STR is the break point if you are wanting to increase dark magic with STR and the use of the Manus catalyst.


    Again, hope this helps (sorry for the big post lol)

    Thanks for doing these tests, could you or anyone that is able to, test if the new Oolacile Catalyst has any effect on Dark Sorceries?


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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by Red Rosie on Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:16 pm

    Oh thats a good idea! Ok ill start testing for that soon and post the results happy


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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by Rynn on Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:03 pm

    I am also going to test if it suffers from diminishing returns, since I am at 50 strength right now. I'll be testing this over the next two or three days.
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    Re: Dark magic + Manus catalyst damage test with results

    Post by ChizFreak on Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:05 pm

    Remember you have to compare it to the normal catalysts (to see if it's better for casting Dark Sorceries)! I'm pretty sure Manus and TCC will be better, because of the augmented MAG ADJ.


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