Also, seeing how some foes can 1-shot me even with all the upgrades and such is kinda lame.
What is everyone's motivation for continuing to play?
I'm not a PvP person.
What??? I've played through countless +'s on my main character, and I'm still finding interesting new things to try. I guess if the game doesn't interest you that much maybe hang it up, but at SL 140 there's no way you've tried everything, so maybe look around and experiment. Maybe do a cosplaythrough as Bruce Lee 2-handing Claws or something.leopard2lx wrote:I am currently and NG++ SL 140 and starting to wonder what the point is anymore. I mean, I have pretty much all the items with upgrades and there is nothing I can get that can change my character much.
I know you have all the numbers to justify this, and I know they add up just fine, but it is so very, very, very far from true. I urge you to bring one of your low lvl (like 1-9) characters to NG+7, V. You will see what I mean.vageta31 wrote: You can achieve the same sense of challenge by limiting yourself in a standard NG.
leopard2lx wrote:I am currently and NG++ SL 140 and starting to wonder what the point is anymore. I mean, I have pretty much all the items with upgrades and there is nothing I can get that can change my character much. Leveling up now makes almost no difference.
Also, seeing how some foes can 1-shot me even with all the upgrades and such is kinda lame.
What is everyone's motivation for continuing to play?
I'm not a PvP person.
callipygias wrote:I know you have all the numbers to justify this, and I know they add up just fine, but it is so very, very, very far from true. I urge you to bring one of your low lvl (like 1-9) characters to NG+7, V. You will see what I mean.vageta31 wrote: You can achieve the same sense of challenge by limiting yourself in a standard NG.
One example of what makes it different is blocking. I can wander through O & S or wherever in NG without fear with 1 hp because I know I can block if I need to, I can even block Capra's massive first attack if I slip up and have the need to. By NG+...4 or 5, I think, you can't block most heavy attacks (unless you somehow have big stamina). You can say, "I never block anyway," but it changes things when you know you can't.
I'm not 100% sure I understand the challenge. The armor part's no problem (SL 6 at infinity may as well be perma-naked), the key only matters if you run through areas, which I don't, spells don't matter at NG+... not having a box would be a little inconvenient, I guess. So the only real challenge is that I start NG with my class's base weapon and upgrade normally from there, right? I have one character slot I could delete so I think I'll try this. Seems kind of easy, but if you think it's tougher than NG+++++++ at sl 6 I'll give it a try.vageta31 wrote:If you want a challenge that will make NG+7 seem easy, then here's what you can do. It's not some ridiculous limitation either that takes the fun out of the game. Let's call it the "NG-" run.
Start a fresh game with any class. Play through the game using this ruleset.
-no leveling
-no bottomless box
-no master key
-absolutely no looting/buying any spell
-keep your original starting armor unupgraded
Other than that, you can blast through the game using whatever you want. Giant's, MoM, Rofap, lightning weapons, etc... After you kill Gwyn, don't finish the game yet. Drop off everything on your character except your starting armor set. And I mean everything. Weapons, items, humanity, titanite shards, etc.. This is why you're not allowed to buy or loot spells as you can't drop them. Now link the bonfire or walk out the doorway.
You've officially started NG+ as a NG character.
callipygias wrote:I'm not 100% sure I understand the challenge. The armor part's no problem (SL 6 at infinity may as well be perma-naked), the key only matters if you run through areas, which I don't, spells don't matter at NG+... not having a box would be a little inconvenient, I guess. So the only real challenge is that I start NG with my class's base weapon and upgrade normally from there, right? I have one character slot I could delete so I think I'll try this. Seems kind of easy, but if you think it's tougher than NG+++++++ at sl 6 I'll give it a try.vageta31 wrote:If you want a challenge that will make NG+7 seem easy, then here's what you can do. It's not some ridiculous limitation either that takes the fun out of the game. Let's call it the "NG-" run.
Start a fresh game with any class. Play through the game using this ruleset.
-no leveling
-no bottomless box
-no master key
-absolutely no looting/buying any spell
-keep your original starting armor unupgraded
Other than that, you can blast through the game using whatever you want. Giant's, MoM, Rofap, lightning weapons, etc... After you kill Gwyn, don't finish the game yet. Drop off everything on your character except your starting armor set. And I mean everything. Weapons, items, humanity, titanite shards, etc.. This is why you're not allowed to buy or loot spells as you can't drop them. Now link the bonfire or walk out the doorway.
You've officially started NG+ as a NG character.
I'd agree that early bosses and mobs are easier through about NG+4 or so, but add that while they're easier to kill, they're also much more dangerous, as in it's much easier for them to kill you. In NG you can take so much damage. It didn't feel like that when I was new, but now it sure does. Torch hollow spazzes out on me in NG it's no big, torch hollow spazzes out on me in NG+7 I'm probably dead. The Hollow Soldiers outside the Parish hit me for over 1,000 hp with their strong attack, which means 2-shot, in NG it'd take them twice that.vageta31 wrote:You still never addressed my assertion that all NG+ runs are easier in the first half compared to a NG run. Just run to the bosses at full power and kill them. Even in NG+ and beyond you can still one shot most enemies and destroy bosses in a few when you have a full power character. Compared to taking multiple hits with a weak weapon in NG.
I remember it well. Bear in mind many of us have played the game WAAAY over a thousand hours.Hellion7776 wrote:Ok, I officially suck at this game...I'm reading this thinking I am pretty decent at playing, only to realize that I am at NG+ Gwyn at 140 and having a ridiculously hard time.
BIG TIME MASTER wrote:The best player is the one having the most fun.
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