Triggers for Quelana's appearance

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    Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by retro on Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:06 am

    Both wikis say that you'll need a Pyromancy Flame +10 to make her appear, but of course there are many reports of seeing her without upgrading or even obtaining a Pyromancy Flame.

    This means that are probably at least two independent triggers for making her spawn. Has this ever been figured out? I've read various ideas, like she'll appear after ringing both bells, but I haven't confirmed any to be true yet.

    The following are NOT sufficient triggers for her appearance, at least not on their own. I did the following things, in this order, and she still has not appeared. I also quit and reload each time to be certain:


      -Obtain the Blighttown Firekeeper soul and reinforce Estus
      -Defeat Quelaag
      -Ring the bell in Quelaag's Domain
      -Rest at the Chaos Covenant bonfire
      -Talk to Quelaan
      -Join the Chaos Covenant
      -Enter the Demon Ruins
      -Take + Equip the Gold-Hemmed Black Set
      -Defeat Ceaseless
      -Reach lower Demon Ruins (obtained Large Flame Ember in suicide run)
      -Ring the bell in the Parish
      -Enter Sen's Fortress

    In a follow-up test I also did the following:

      -Defeating Capra
      -Entering the Depths
      -Obtaining the Large Ember / Giving it to Andre / Upgrading a weapon beyond +5
      -Resting at the depths bonfire
      -Killing both butchers / seeing Laurentis and triggering dialog but not freeing him / grabbing the spider shield


    I started with a Warrior and do not have a Pyromancy Flame in my inventory. I skipped Taurus and talking to Solaire, but went back and did those things after the last item on the list, and she's still not there.

    Someone claimed to have seen her without ringing either bell at SL60, so perhaps it's triggered by reaching a certain level? I was at level 31 by the last test I conducted, so I think my next test will be to stockpile souls and then level up one level at a time and check each time until I reach 60... see if that works.

    A reliable source had this to say (and did not BB glitch):
    I know this gets talked about a lot but she appeared for me earlier today and I had no Pyromancy Flame.
    I had a Longsword+5, Rapier+5, basic armour and a Heater Shield. All I had done up to that point was kill Taurus, Gargoyles and Quelaag and rang both bells. Oh, and talked to her sister (using the Talk) option.
    Any other ideas?


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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by RandelOolacile on Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:10 am

    Not sure if this means anything, but Ive BBed and had her appear when I had nothing to do with my pyromancy. The mule has her active in its world though and I thought that maybe this is why it would appear for me without a flame. big grin


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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by Specter737 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:14 am

    I can second Randal's story.
    All of my BB'd characters always have her appear immediately, even without the fully upgraded regular pyromancy flame.


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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by Yarxov on Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:19 am

    I have her appear every time without even defeating Qualaag, on a legitimate character, who has only killed The Gargoyles. I had +5 equipment, no iron ring, and she was there. saw her on antoher char that was more thorough aswell. Both are completely legit, not glitched at all. It is true however that my entire game is messed up so i dunno.


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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by retro on Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:24 am

    Specter737 wrote:All of my BB'd characters always have her appear immediately...
    That's a good point to consider, I know that odd information can carry over with the BB glitch. So if anyone sees her without +10 Pyromancy but BB glitched, I would have to ignore their actions and just assume its the glitch that brought her over.

    However, someone who is trustworthy said they did not BB glitch (the quoted person in the OP). Talking with him more, he said he forgot to mention that he also killed Capra and entered the Depths to obtain the Large Ember and spider shield (but did not rescue Laurentis). I'll try those before leveling up...
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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by Yarxov on Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:26 am

    sad Im not trustworthy?
    silly
    I rescued Laurentius on one character, killed all butchers and Mildred and Kirk (I think this may be a trigger, killing Mildred)


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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by retro on Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:28 am

    Hehe, I wrote my post before I saw yours. happy

    I killed Mildred to help me with the fight, so that on its own is also not a trigger.


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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by Yarxov on Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:29 am

    Hmm, I have no idea then,


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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by DoughGuy on Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:01 am

    One of my non BBed toon had a +0 flame, went into NG+ and she was there before I fought Quelaag.


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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by retro on Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:42 pm

    A few more things tested (edited into OP as well)-

      -Defeating Capra
      -Entering the Depths
      -Obtaining the Large Ember / Giving it to Andre / Upgrading a weapon beyond +5
      -Resting at the depths bonfire
      -Killing both butchers / seeing Laurentis and triggering dialog but not freeing him / grabbing the spider shield

    Still no Quelana. I'm pretty much stumped now, it seems like I did everything that the other player did. He said he did co-op with someone else, so that means I should still try -

    -Co-oping against Quelaag as a summon.
    -Leveling up, seeing if it requires a certain level or stat to be reached.
    -Starting over, ringing the bells in the expected order, etc.

    Now I understand why this hasn't been figured out yet. It could require something very odd, like a few things needing to be done in a certain order.
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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by reim0027 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:07 pm

    Even if I have an upgraded pyro in my hand, she doesn't always appear in btown. But, she invariably appears once I beat Quelaag.


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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by ndavis5425 on Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:15 pm

    ive heard something about whether or not you have the power within pyromancy? does anybody know if that has anything to do with it?
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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:17 pm

    I don't think so. I haven't noticed a pattern with the PW pyro.


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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by ublug on Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:00 pm

    Was looking for this thread a while back, but couldn't find it so I created a new one: http://soulswiki.forumsrpg.com/t16536-quelana-s-appearance

    I have tried all of Retro's triggers, and more, but have found no trigger apart from a +10 glove. I usually also do these tests offline to ensure I have no outside interference.
    But when doing co-op, I found that a summoned phantom with a +10 glove (or perhaps a phantom who have seen/talked to her) will also make her appear.
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    Re: Triggers for Quelana's appearance

    Post by ChizFreak on Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:17 pm

    With my new character, she appeared as I had only a pyromancy flame +8. Some important things: it was the pyromancer class, and I freed and talked to laurentius before going to blighttown (that's how I upgraded my pyro hand silly). I saw her after I defeated Queelag and rang the bell (church bell rang before obviously), but I can't remember if I checked if she was there before that. I talked to Quelaan but didn't join her cov, and rested in the bonfire.

    Maybe being a pyromancer (class) makes her appear always? Otherwise, certain trigger must be met before she appears? (like a pyro hand +10)

    Oh, and BB characters' experiences are useless, they are glitched and thus they have many triggers *** up (see Oscar no appearing).


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