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    A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by Gazman0169 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:10 pm

    According to Mugenmonkey a +5 Lightning Avelyn will dish out 375 units of damage, but how much percentage wise would this be reduced if you didn't meet the specs to wield it to begin with?
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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by RandelOolacile on Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:13 pm

    It depends by how much you're missing the stat. The closer you are to meeting the requirement the closer the AR will be to the original.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:37 pm

    Is that with teh Lightning Crossbow Bolts? I have used the Heavy Cross bow in the past to quickly fire and stun people trying to flask, but haven't tried a Lightning one. Probably because 700 souls per shot seems like a lot of souls to me...


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by Gazman0169 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:55 pm

    I do use it with Lightning bolts, but the damage stat that I posted relates to the lowest wooden bolt.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by cloudyeki on Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:25 pm

    IV_Mark_VI wrote:Probably because 700 souls per shot seems like a lot of souls to me...



    It cost 2100 souls to fire 1 set of rounds with dis crossbow!


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by BartholomewWenceslas on Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:32 pm

    Once you get farther into the game, there comes a point where your souls are just kind of sitting around, so buying lightning bolts then won't seem so bad. One time I bought 99 homeward bones just because I literally had nothing to do with my souls


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by RandelOolacile on Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:35 pm

    BartholomewWenceslas wrote:Once you get farther into the game, there comes a point where your souls are just kind of sitting around, so buying lightning bolts then won't seem so bad. One time I bought 99 homeward bones just because I literally had nothing to do with my souls

    Or tons of prism stones. This is my guilty pleasure. I love painting host worlds with shiny stones, big grin.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by Gazman0169 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:41 pm

    Replenishing my stock of Lightning bolts has never been an issue for me, and not once have I ever resorted to glitching in order to keep my stock topped up. Not wishing to boast but I managed to max-out my supply of each type of arrow and bolt in around two days of intensive soul farming, meaning that I have 999 of each on hand, along with 999 of each in my bottomless box, leaving me more than enough souls to replenish any spends as and when I see fit. big grin


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:56 pm

    I have tested a lightning light crossbow vs a normal +15 one with lightning and heavy bolts respectively and the normal did more damage. Don't know about Avelyn though but it should follow same rule.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by Gazman0169 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:03 pm

    Yes, but you've got to also take into account that with the Avelyn you're able to get three shots off in quick succession, at I believe around the same speed that it takes to fire off one shot from a standard bow.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:06 pm

    ?

    He says +15 + Heavy Bolt > Lightning +5 + Lightning bolts.

    Whether its 1 shot, 3, or 100, this should remain the same.

    He's saying a +15 Avelyn with Heavy bolts should do more damage than a lightning one with lightning bolts.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by RandelOolacile on Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:17 pm

    IV_Mark_VI wrote:?

    He says +15 + Heavy Bolt > Lightning +5 + Lightning bolts.

    Whether its 1 shot, 3, or 100, this should remain the same.

    He's saying a +15 Avelyn with Heavy bolts should do more damage than a lightning one with lightning bolts.

    The lightning +5/standard +15 example by Wyrn was for a light crossbow.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by Gazman0169 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:20 pm

    I may be missing something here, but I can't see how Normal can beat Lightning in this instance?

    +15 Avelyn deals out 229 base damage, combined with the 64 base damage that a Heavy bolt deals out = 293

    +5 Lightning Avelyn deals out 273 base damage, combined with the 116 combined base (38) and Lightning (78) damage that a Lightning bolt deals out = 389

    Surely the Lightning wins hands down?


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:21 pm

    Yeah it could change maybe Avelyn has a very high AR for lightning than light crossbow. You should test both and decide which 1 does more damage.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by RandelOolacile on Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:23 pm

    The lightning could win. It depends on the defenses of your opponent. Since lightning avelyn is dealing damage from two sources it has to contend with two defense, physical and lightning. This is where the possibility for a +15 Avelyn may deal more damage than a +5 lightning. big grin


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:24 pm

    And mugenmonkey's AR for bows and crossbow is messed up so I could do the test for you.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:24 pm

    MudoRH wrote:The lightning could win. It depends on the defenses of your opponent. Since lightning avelyn is dealing damage from two sources it has to contend with two defense, physical and lightning. This is where the possibility for a +15 Avelyn may deal more damage than a +5 lightning. big grin

    Indeed.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by Gazman0169 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:29 pm

    Agreed, defenses will play a part. I guess the only way we'll know for sure is if we test both side by side.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by RandelOolacile on Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:33 pm

    We can look at the AR of +15 vs +5 lightning Avelyn, prepatch.(sorry, using my guide as a quick reference as I type.)

    +15 with Heavy bolt has an AR of 271 standard physical.

    +5 lightning with lightning bolts has an AR of 195 physical and 226 lightning. Total of 421 AR combined.

    If you opponent had defense to nulfiy the lightning damage then you're +5 lightning will only be doing the 195 physical. This is the elemental detriment. You're +15 standard Avelyn doesn't contend with the lightning defense and thus hits harder with the 271 AR.

    Hope this helps.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:01 pm

    Test results at SL 120:

    Armor: mom + chain armor + BI gaunts + Havel's legs

    Avelyn +15 with heavy bolts = 293 AR
    Damage = 297

    Lightning Avelyn with lightning bolts = 389 AR
    Damage = 324

    Naked:
    Normal: 621 damage
    Lightning: 555 damage

    It really depends on armor and SL. Hope this helps.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:15 pm

    By the way Heavy Crossbow results:

    Normal: 405 AR
    Damage: 207

    Lightning: 523 AR
    Damage: 185

    It's strange but it seems the lightning Avelyn has very high AR compared to the other crossbows, as I expected.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:40 am

    By the way, I have never used the Avelyn for battle, and it's just an awesome weapon. The three bolts can stun a medium poise opponent, however the 3 shots animation is longer than the heavy and light crossbow ones, making you vulnerable to backstabs and attacks.


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    Re: A question relating to the Avelyn...

    Post by Gazman0169 on Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:33 am

    I have used the Avelyn in PvP, and whilst at first it left me wide open for a duel-ending counter I've now got my technique down to where I can leave just enough distance between me and my opponent to get off a volley without living to regret it, and have in fact managed to win quite a few duels of late with a volley from my trusty +5 Lightning model.

    There is nothing more satisfying than watching your opponent back off to flask, grass, what-have-ya, only to end up losing the duel by eating three bolts in quick succession. twisted


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