DWGR or Fast Roll

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    DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by Seignar on Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:56 am

    So I've been thinking. The DWGR is overused, but in the time that I had practiced a few moments without it, I've realized that the fast roll is good enough to replace the use of DWGR. It has enough invincibility frames and it moves far enough for you to escape typical combos. You run speed is also equal to DWGR run speed so you don't lose much in terms of mobility, but you have to be slightly more skilled with dodge rolls in PVP.

    So, what are your thoughts? Do you think that is your equip burden if 25% or lower, you can dismiss the DWGR and use it for a better Ring slot?
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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by Rynn on Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:01 am

    The Dark Wood Grain Ring is genuinely a crutch. It permits players outside of an acceptable range to have more mobility then a character that is playing more the less inside the terms of the game. As the Dark Wood Grain ring is in the game, use it to your hearts content, but i would not miss it if removed.

    Generally, if you are below 25% equip load, equip a hornet ring instead.
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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by DoughGuy on Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:02 am

    "Use DWGR at all times unless you have fat roll"

    Do you mean fast roll?


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by Rudmed on Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:03 am

    Seignar wrote:So I've been thinking. The DWGR is overused, but in the time that I had practiced a few moments without it, I've realized that the fast roll is good enough to replace the use of DWGR. It has enough invincibility frames and it moves far enough for you to escape typical combos. You run speed is also equal to DWGR run speed so you don't lose much in terms of mobility, but you have to be slightly more skilled with dodge rolls in PVP.

    So, what are your thoughts? Do you think that is your equip burden if 25% or lower, you can dismiss the DWGR and use it for a better Ring slot?

    The speed and the cartwheel have saved my butt numerous times. Honestly if you don't want to use it...that's fine. I just use it for the defensive capabilities it brings to the table, and so I can catch up to all those road runners with it.


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:06 am

    Neither, it entirely depends on my build. For example, if I'm using the large club, the shorter animation of the fast roll is more important than the increased burden, but with my dgm build I really benefit from the iframes to dodge counter attacks and escape bs attempts, and the weapon is to heavy for me to hit 53 poise under 25% equipment burden without the dwgr, so I use it.


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by DamageCK on Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:49 am

    At this point, after having played with the DWGR since day one and going with fast roll for the last couple weeks, in my opinion it's all about i-frames. Most builds you can Wolf Ring+heavy gaunts for 53+ poise and still fast roll, so I don't really care about equip burden. There is a pretty sizeable difference in i-frames though. I'll be sticking with fast roll for purely asthetic reasons though. No beef with DWGR users either. If I'm not taking advantage of more i-frames, that's on me.


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by swordiris on Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:53 am

    I'd rather fat roll then flip at this point.

    FROM will nerf the Dark Wood Grain Ring in due time because they listen to the community's concerns.

    When they do nerf it, you will have a hard time playing without it.


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by Jovias-86 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:55 am

    Thers an option missing in there...
    NO DWGR at all... winking


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by DamageCK on Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:57 am

    Think he meant "fast roll" instead of "fat roll".


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:59 am

    The community is concerned about a lot of things.

    Quite frankly, learn to play is an apt respone in many of these cases. I'm NOT saying beiber ring concerns arn't valid, but that concerns alone are hardly a proper reason to change the functionality of the item.


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by Jansports on Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:02 am

    Aesthetically speaking DWGR is usefull. I really enjoy certain armor that's sorta heavy (Paladin / Ornstein / EK) If I want to look a certain way then DWGR goes on.

    Now Giantsx3+mom looks IMO hideous. but man those stats. I don't have much proof other than "feeling" when I pvp but besides the poise I don't "feel" much squishier using Painted Gaurdian Chest/Legs and only giants gauntlets, replacing dwgr with wolf's

    The Main issue is that Without DWGR or Wolf's it's impossible to have a reasonable amount of END and still make it to 53 poise. (Actually I'm sure Father's Havel's FAP would get you there) The entire poise system is inherently rewarding to heavier armors and there is nothing better at increasing your Burden than DWGR.
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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by swordiris on Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:07 am

    Who needs poise.

    The game was made to be either you have poise and move like a tank's supposed to or you move fast and get stunlocked.

    Thats how it should be played and if one practices enough they can beat flipping MoM tanks that have no discipline.


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by Rynn on Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:11 am

    swordiris wrote:Who needs poise.

    The game was made to be either you have poise and move like a tank's supposed to or you move fast and get stunlocked.

    Thats how it should be played and if one practices enough they can beat flipping MoM tanks that have no discipline.
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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:13 am

    @sword Who are you to decide how a game should be played, by anyone except yourself?


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by DamageCK on Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:14 am

    Fighting below dex weapon breakpoints is pretty difficult. That's where I draw the line. I don't mind playing below GS breakpoint because of toggle escape parries, but staggering from katana/BSS/Falchion hits is too much.


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by swordiris on Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:15 am

    that is very true forum. Everyone has their own opinions.

    @Rynn. Sounds bout right, even 18 poise is kinda going out of my way though.


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by Rynn on Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:16 am

    Shrug
    18 poise isn't far outa my way. I shove the Black Iron Gauntlets on and bam, I'm done. They fit with pretty much any armor set, so i just don't worry after that.
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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by swordiris on Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:22 am

    I just am more concerned with character looks than practicality.

    I like my female characters without pants. (or Balder shorts/ traveling boots) and I think Beiber flip looks strange even on a ninja. I think a ninja should roll more like Ryu Hayabusa, and he fast rolls.


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by isthefridge on Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:27 am

    I completely forgot how my first few play throughs were. I had no idea about the DWGR until i started getting into pvp and someone had dropped the ring after a few invades. Im playing without it but now i'm staying below 25 % equip load and the challenge and rage is still there which is great. I might stop summoning player because i didnt even get a chance to hit either Gargoyle...as for the poll i dont quite understand what im voting on.


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by Phoenix Rising on Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:37 pm

    Lately i've been practicing using Havel's ring instead of the DWGR. Dropped from 56 poise to 34 poise, which is still above the poise break for katanas. We'll see how it goes.

    I do prefer the fact that the fast roll is a bit "tighter" than the ninja flip. You don't flip halfway across the screen...


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by omega Elf on Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:14 pm

    Use DWGR at all times unless you have fat roll????
    Use DWGR if your equip burden is 50% or lower,but higher than 25%????

    This poll makes zero ****ing sense. I voted (A), though i could have just as easily voted (B), I don't see the difference. Dwgr ftw.
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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by martyrsbrigade99 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:13 am

    Seignar wrote:So I've been thinking. The DWGR is overused, but in the time that I had practiced a few moments without it, I've realized that the fast roll is good enough to replace the use of DWGR. It has enough invincibility frames and it moves far enough for you to escape typical combos. You run speed is also equal to DWGR run speed so you don't lose much in terms of mobility, but you have to be slightly more skilled with dodge rolls in PVP.

    So, what are your thoughts? Do you think that is your equip burden if 25% or lower, you can dismiss the DWGR and use it for a better Ring slot?

    I've transitioned all of my builds to fast rollers, all except those that require int or faith. This, however, is no big deal because, in most cases, I use pure melee attacks; I don't need any miracles/sorcerreris/pyro to be successful in PvP.


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    Re: DWGR or Fast Roll

    Post by Juutas on Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:06 pm

    I very rarely use DWGR because the ring is so obviously broken. I don't really need it to lighten my weight since I play naked and I do fine with fast roll. I've used the ring in tournaments though.


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