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    BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Cantankerous_Flood on Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:24 pm

    I've been slaving over making my builds the best they can be since the game came out last year and when I discovered the Dragon Headstone glitch, I was shocked and very turned off from the game because of the fact that the glitch worked and was abused. From created a game and a franchise that is hailed for containing the hardest gameplay on this generation of consoles, if not, ever. That glitch threatened the game's integrity. Needless to say I was relieved when patch 1.05 was released.

    However, the integrity of the souls series games is being threatened once again and has been for quite sometime. While seemingly advantageous for getting good equipment early in the game, the Bottomless Box glitch can also make it easier to duplicate souls if muling is implemented. This must be patched. I don't know if the folks at From Software are planning on patching it before or for the release of the the Artorias and the Abyss DLC later this year(if at all), but I believe it needs to happen sooner rather than later.

    I refuse to take part in this glitch because I believe this game morsel than any other reserves to be played how it is meant to be played. No glitching nor cheating.

    What do you think? Whether you're for or against the glitch, type your opinions here. However, if you are against the glitch, also let me know if you would be interested in petitioning to getting this glitch patched asap. As always thank you for reading.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by TheRemster on Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:26 pm

    Most people, after having a taste, swear by the BB glitch and its ability to add "replay value" to the game. I don't think you'll get very much support at all.

    I've used the glitch mostly for farming materials so that I don't have to grind as much but I wouldn't mind if it was patched. From doesn't seem to care though.
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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Tolvo on Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:31 pm

    We've had this discussion time and time again, but I suppose there is no harm in talking about it with civility like usual.

    I do use the glitch a lot when making new toons, I have an account for PvP toons, cosplay toons, and Co-Op toons. This would not be possible without this glitch. It allows me to test tidbits in regards to the lore easier, as well as getting images of certain things a hell of a lot easier. Do I think it should be patched away? Yes.

    Don't get me wrong, some of us do use it without leaving a negative impact. Whether you don't wish to farm on every SL120 toon you have for slabs, or don't want to have to playthrough the game on your 50th toon with over 1k hours locked.

    But a good deal of people use it to hurt the community. Glitching over items for the purpose of griefing, which is very common. The issue I see is that it would turn off more of the people who play this game casually if it got patched. Where as the people who play it religiously, myself included, would still stick around of course. I think it has its positive and negative attributes, but frankly how the community at large uses it I'm not fond of. So yes, I would like to see it patched even though it would make it harder for me to do the good that I do. My hope is it would make it harder for people to commit the bad things they do.
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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Bloodios on Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:37 pm

    We aside, does From Software even care enough to patch it (along with the other glitches)? I mean, they never care to patch that glitch from Demon's Souls. Why would they care now?


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Azran on Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:42 pm

    Yeah. We can just hope the DLC patches the glitches.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Heroez Blade on Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:00 pm

    I personally dont think the glitch should be patched. I have been through the game numerous times legitly and i enjoy using the glitch to save time and mess around with new builds. I almost think the glitch was intended for people to save time on their other toons. I do however see how a lot of people abuse it, but its more or less the persons choice on how they wish to play a game that they buy. If someone wants to abuse a glitch than they will just be seen as a bad player. FROM should not penalize the people that use the glitch for decent reasons like making builds. If anything i think they should work more on patching the dragon head glitch because that in my opinion is more of a game ruiner that the BB glitch. It allows people to go crazy on the leveling and not even take time to gain experience.

    So basically out of this huge comment I am against patching the BB glitch because of the good reasons it can be used for. I am more on the side of patching the dragon head glitch because of abusing it for souls and unfair pvping.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:17 pm

    If the arena allows me to simply create a character for it, with the gear I want, then I wouldn't mind as much if it were removed.

    As is however, if it were removed I'd stop playing, I'm not spending 10 hours farming whenever I want a new build.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by ICEFANG on Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:45 pm

    I agree, plus you can never assume the person didn't do it legitimately. If they glitched their characters duplicating souls, you'd never be able to tell. That's the beauty of the glitch. While you can argue the glitch is bad, you can't assume that someone didn't beat the game 99 times with a SL 1 character. It is possible, even if its unlikely. Same with equipment, when the game was first out, griefers existed, but less in amount. They still could be making their characters legitimately, you can't prove they did not, unless they said so.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by jockanda on Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:54 pm

    the dragon head is not patched folk winking


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Cantankerous_Flood on Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:34 pm

    I completely understand what everyone's saying. I've thought about about using it because I have a lot of build plans that I would like to actually create ingame and I would rather not spend all the time farming either. But I someimes see the farming as battle practice. Its the people that abuse it that turn me off from playing online. I know its farfetched and there's a chance that From really doesn't care about the glitch, but perhaps something can be done to make some of the the features that the BB glitch provides an integral part of the next Souls game without a way to abuse it.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:38 pm

    Everything can and will be abused, no point crying over spilled milk.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Carphil on Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:42 pm

    I think it should be patched.

    Okay, I agree that is easier and faster to create a lot of builds with it, but thats just the small part of the community! Imagine the amount of people who uses to troll and grief everyone else?

    Plus, thats just the PVP part. Dark souls is not Mortal Kombat. The essence of the game is PVE. With that glitch, there is no PVE.

    A challenge to everyone who uses BB glitch: Make a new character, don't do the glitch, no master key, make a NG run (blighttown included). If possible, right after arriving at Firelink, go human and stay human for the rest of the playtrough, then tell me how is to fight maxed out people at burg/ parish with a +0 longsword


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by RNsunbro on Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:42 pm

    I agree, it needs to be patched. It can useful, like people have said, in making quick builds but there are way too many people who abuse it to grief people. I think you made some very valid points. The dragon head glitch and spellswitch MUST go though.
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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Reaperfan on Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:48 pm

    TheRemster wrote:Most people, after having a taste, swear by the BB glitch and its ability to add "replay value" to the game. I don't think you'll get very much support at all.

    I've used the glitch mostly for farming materials so that I don't have to grind as much but I wouldn't mind if it was patched. From doesn't seem to care though.

    Basically my thoughts right here. I like making experimental and cosplay builds, but I don't like going through the same tedious experiences over and over again just to find out if the experimental build was a flop or cosplay can't make a full runthrough. The BB Glitch has saved me dozens of pointless hours, and without it I never would have attempted things like a Whip user or a Gwyndolin cosplay.

    I will openly admit that the Dragon Head Glitch to jump to SL 120 is too much, and ruins the learning period of how to use the build. But allowing me to cut out two whole playthroughs which would only serve as a way of gear-gathering to do a cosplay of Gwyn is something that makes using and trying the build more engaging.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by jockanda on Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:52 pm

    i totally disagree ,to each his opinions tho and for me i spent over 60 -70 hours on a char and i just dont want to do that all again on each build. however u cant bb ur spells so u'll have to make some runs around.

    no one enjoys Sl1 invasions but people like to test the game in many ways and that glitch helps them doing various builds.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:10 pm

    The bb only ruins pve if you let it. You want pve, then don't bb. That simple.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Baiulus on Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:14 pm

    Shouldn't you be more concerned about the return of the Dragon Head Glitch?
    And not just the Dragon Head, mind you, but the Dragon Body as well.
    People can not only use it to get infinite souls, but to get easy wins on other players.
    Your priorities for what needs to be patched might need some rearranging if you see BB as a bigger problem, even if it is more widely used.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Heroez Blade on Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:17 pm

    Baiulus wrote:Shouldn't you be more concerned about the return of the Dragon Head Glitch?
    And not just the Dragon Head, mind you, but the Dragon Body as well.
    People can not only use it to get infinite souls, but to get easy wins on other players.
    Your priorities for what needs to be patched might need some rearranging if you see BB as a bigger problem, even if it is more widely used.



    100% agreed. The BB glitch may be used by tons of people but it is not as much of a problem as the dragon head/body glitches. They get really annoying especially if they use it in pvp for an easy win.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:21 pm

    Well.. Let's be honest, I'm worried that these glitches simply exist. They all should be patched really. They're both problems, irrespective of how much impact each has, they shouldn't be in the game and certainly not used by anyone either, simply as a matter of principle.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Heroez Blade on Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:24 pm

    I think the BB glitch should be allowed only for the people that already spent hours getting the stuff legitly. Like someone else said i do not want to go through 2 plays just to see if a build is going to work with the armor and weapons that i want for it.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:26 pm

    As a matter of principle, I wouldn't play if each pvp character took 10 hours. Principals are subjective.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by BartholomewWenceslas on Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:32 pm

    The BB glitch is sort of hard to speak on because there are positives and negatives. It's very nice not having to build up your character from scratch (although for me, that's half the fun) and it can save people a lot of time that they don't want to spend, but I think there are far too many people who are using the BB glitch just to grief other players, and that makes the glitch incredibly annoying. Sure, you could just BB glitch to counteract the griefers, but if it's a brand new player, they might get completely turned off from the game because of someone invading in the bell tower killing them in one hit with Quelaag's fury sword.

    I think it should be patched, but I also think that in the patch, From should make some sort of way to create builds a little bit easier, maybe even make an option to reset your skills so you don't even need to make a new character


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by jockanda on Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:35 pm

    u should prioritize dragon glitches patching, even tho its ok except for knifes spamming and such shi*.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:39 pm

    That's why it needs patching barth, a perfect example. If it was only used in the way that doesn't affect the online world then it would be fine, but because it's misused it must go as it is detrimental to the online aspect. I'm sure the new dragonhead glitch will be patched too though, it was before and will be again I reckon as it's even more gamebreaking than the previous version.

    Problem with the idea of skill resetting though is the fact FROM don't want to make your level choices less important. Right now it's a case of put stat points wrong and you have to live with it, as the rest of the world is. Changing that in FROM's eyes would probably detract from that.

    I respect the fact guys wanna cut corners making characters but I've always seen it from the perspective as PvP is only supplementary to the main PvE experience, and you shouldn't be able to PvP if you're not willing to play through the game properly. I always say the day I stop enjoying PvE and playing through the game is the day I stop playing dark souls frankly. I just see it as the glitch isn't meant to be in the game = we shouldn't use the glitch.


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    Re: BB Glitch must be patched

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:49 pm

    There are always grifers, You can be insta-murdering sl 20 players with a +5 or +10 large club an hour or 2 after you start the game if you know what you're doing. Completely bb free, btw, and stone knight armor is both solid and unupgradeable, making you borderline indestructabe. Add havels ring and the beiber ring, both requiring less than 10 minutes to get, and you can fast roll as well.

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    That would take me 2 hours, tops.


    I have lots of fun with pvp serious, just because I don't want to put up with pve for the 10000000000th time, doesn't mean I should stop playing. Hence my original stipulation, that a character builder limited to arena use would mitagate my complaint.


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