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    99 Endurance Fail

    Post by Dark Spirit EliteBiker20 on Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:44 pm

    Did FROM mess up with the endurance scaling? I only ask this because if you put on full Havel's set with his shield and a heavy weapon (at 99 endurance), you still do a fatty-roll unless you have Havel's ring on. You would think, even though its a heavy setup, with 99 endurance you should be able to roll in it no problem. Unless they purposely did that to prevent high damage reduction with the use if things like the hornet ring or DWGR. Who knows with FROM.

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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:47 pm

    Probably, though the existence of Havel's ring kind of negates the balance anyway.
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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by Yarxov on Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:09 pm

    Tolvo did you get a haircut? Your self portrait seems a bit more cleaned up.


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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:12 pm

    Bald and shaven Andre just doesn't look the same does he?
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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by Heroez Blade on Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:13 pm

    I agree with biker, you should be able to roll in heavy builds with 99 end. Even though i mainly stick to medium setups there are times when i would like a heavy combo especially if i invade gankers.



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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by Yarxov on Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:20 pm

    :roll:


    No you shouldnt have a medium-light roll with 99 endurance on a set made out of Dragon Scales. the devs kept practicality in mind I suppose, no easy ways out is a rule aswell, no intentionally OP tricks are there, this can be seen in everything, from weapons to stats potency reduction as the value increases.


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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by Rin on Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:10 pm

    Well... endurance is like other skills so each point put into it adds a whole lot less after you go past 50 oh and keep in mind havel's set is the heaviest set ingame...

    Also fast rolling in heavy armour should be impossible but from are being... well... you know... by making us wait for a nerf that might not even come out, i mean dwgr is 10x as bad as fog ring before nufr and 20x as bad as the CRS before nufr


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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by ICEFANG on Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:48 pm

    I think the biggest problem with your statement is Havel's Shield, which weights 26. No build can effectively use it and not medium roll without Havel's Ring and/or DWGR. Even naked builds can only use 8.75 EL for their 3 other slots at 99 END (if I didn't mess anything up) to fast roll. That's the big problem.

    Besides, I think its good flavor to require that ring if you're wanting some faster movement and you're using Havel's stuff. It shows faith in your leader Havel!

    Havel's Armor weighs 50, if you wanted to be able to fast roll at 99 END with nothing else and his shield, you would have to start at 213 EL (at 8 END), that's crazy!


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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by callipygias on Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:49 am

    Most people with 99 endurance glitched it, so I don't think they should be allowed to roll at all. Really though, for super-heavy armor a medium roll seems right.


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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:53 am

    People can reasonably get to say SL225 and have 99 endurance, usually 99 vit to go with it an elemental weapons. Not really in the creativity market, but its their build.
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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by dianaduh on Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:43 pm

    thats why i never pass 40
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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by Buggy Virus on Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:12 pm

    Havels set making you fat roll sounds balanced to me.


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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by Rynn on Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:07 am

    Dark Spirit EliteBiker20 wrote:Did FROM mess up with the endurance scaling? I only ask this because if you put on full Havel's set with his shield and a heavy weapon (at 99 endurance), you still do a fatty-roll unless you have Havel's ring on. You would think, even though its a heavy setup, with 99 endurance you should be able to roll in it no problem. Unless they purposely did that to prevent high damage reduction with the use if things like the hornet ring or DWGR. Who knows with FROM.
    Um, i crunched all the numbers on this a while ago. At 99 endurance, you can equip a TON of stuff... the ring of favor and protection brings you up to 41.3, which is more then most DWGR builds need. The DWGR brings you up to an -insane- equipable weight too. 99 endurance isn't broken, you're just expecting a miracle.
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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by Dark Spirit EliteBiker20 on Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:33 am

    Rynn wrote:
    Dark Spirit EliteBiker20 wrote:Did FROM mess up with the endurance scaling? I only ask this because if you put on full Havel's set with his shield and a heavy weapon (at 99 endurance), you still do a fatty-roll unless you have Havel's ring on. You would think, even though its a heavy setup, with 99 endurance you should be able to roll in it no problem. Unless they purposely did that to prevent high damage reduction with the use if things like the hornet ring or DWGR. Who knows with FROM.
    Um, i crunched all the numbers on this a while ago. At 99 endurance, you can equip a TON of stuff... the ring of favor and protection brings you up to 41.3, which is more then most DWGR builds need. The DWGR brings you up to an -insane- equipable weight too. 99 endurance isn't broken, you're just expecting a miracle.

    Im not expecting a miracle, I just think its dumb that you cant wear whatever you want when you take the time to get your endurance that high.

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    Re: 99 Endurance Fail

    Post by Rynn on Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:09 am

    if endurance worked like that, everyone would have it at 99.
    34.8 pounds without any equip burden items
    40.0 with the mask of the father
    41.7 with the ring of favor and protection
    52.1 with havels.
    69.5 with Dark Wood Grain Ring
    71.9 with Havels, RoFAP, and MaTF
    80.0 with mask of the father and DWGR
    83.4 with RoFAP and DWGR
    95.9 with DWGR, Mask of Father, and RoFAP
    104.3 with DWGR and Havels Ring
    109.9 with Havels, DWGR and Mask of the Father

    http://tinyurl.com/8nx6rvz
    You can EQUIP ALL OF THAT, but you still have to sacrifice ring slots towards the equipment you wish to wear. I call that good balance, you're awarded with an insane equip load with high endurance, however you still must make sacrifices to make use of it.

    If things were any different, equipment load rings would be underpowered.

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