Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

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    Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by Baiulus on Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:48 pm

    It hadn't ever been a problem before, but I've lost a load of matches today because people backstab me while I'm clearly facing them and a distance away.
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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:49 pm

    What's to there to explain?

    It's lag.

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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by Heroez Blade on Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:53 pm

    I feel your pain . the same thing happens to me almost every time a face someone. its basically just bad connection and the enemy just gets lucky enough to backstab. Just be glad its not chain backstabbing, that is 10 times worse.


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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by bmurn on Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:00 pm

    The lag means that you are typically seeing them in a spot that they have already vacated. So on their side they are clearly behind you while on your side they appear to still be in front of you. It is a result of the connection speed of both people differing and the information being passed back and forth between the two consoles not being consistent. So one console wins (overides the other console) and you only see it when damage is done.
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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by Baiulus on Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:10 pm

    Heroez Blade wrote:I feel your pain . the same thing happens to me almost every time a face someone. its basically just bad connection and the enemy just gets lucky enough to backstab. Just be glad its not chain backstabbing, that is 10 times worse.
    Trust me, they manage to chain it just fine. -_-


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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by Heroez Blade on Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:18 pm

    Man lag stabbing and chain stabbing , i pitty you. For me its usually one or the other.


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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by Bioraptor on Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:59 pm

    Rule of thumb when fighting pvp.
    So when you see them in one place chances are they are not there any more.
    So always try not to stand still for too long.Keep on the move and try and anticipate where they may be?

    Lag = win 80% of the time and it sucks as there is not a lot you can do about it.


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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by Zhangbob on Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:23 pm

    i played the game a ton and there is the occasional really laggy person you cant do much about. but for the most part the lag is anticipated. My first night of pvp was 5 hours and i won 1 out of every 10 matches. After that i got used to the way the lag stabs worked and the very next day i was winning 6 to 7 out of 10 of my matches.

    This game punishes new people hard.


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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by ChizFreak on Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:31 pm

    Best way to counter lag-stabs:

    Spam attacks, spells, or try to BS him yourself, this usually cause you to do the "being-backstabed" animation, but with zero damage. Be careful though to not be chain-bs while you're getting up,


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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by Ghadis_God on Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:33 pm

    You can cancel bs by inflicting damage just as the animation starts, usually accomplished by using a sweeping attack and fighting locked off, turning to attack just as they bs you. The animation will go through but you won't take any damage.


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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by BLA1NE on Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:53 pm

    Lagstabbing is a combination of online lag and broken backstab mechanics. PvP lags by about half a second, so wherever your enemy is on your screen, and whatever he's doing, is where he was and what he was doing half a second ago. Which means he's really half a second ahead of where he appears to be. This could be overcome, but the effect is compounded with broken backstabbing:

    When a player is locked-on to you and he runs at you, and slightly to your side, when he goes by you the lock-on will cause his camera to quickly swivel. If he attacks at that moment, the game will interpret it as a backstab, even though he wasn't behind you--he was by your side.

    So when someone can backstab you when he's on your side, and he's half a second ahead of where he appears to be on your screen, you can understand how players can backstab you when they're ahead of you on your screen.

    This also causes problems to (rookie) players who strafe too much, and continuously in the same direction, or who make the mistake of advancing toward their opponent while strafing in predictable ways. Because you're half a second ahead of where you appear to be on your enemy's screen, and he's half a second ahead of where he appears to be on your screen, you can imagine how wonky the game gets when two players are strafing around each other, and one reverses direction. That's an easy way to get behind someone by changing strafing directions, since on his screen you haven't changed direction yet, which causes him to keep strafing in the same direction while you strafe in the opposite one. Again, this, with lag, creates situation in which you get backstabbed from seemingly impossible places.


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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by Rifter7 on Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:47 am

    you can cancel backstab damage by backstabbing the person as you're being backstabbed.

    yay for fighting japanese players!


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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by bloodpixel on Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:07 am

    Magical stuff happens and your opponent teleports to your back and smashes you with a 324 pound ax that he can swing amazingly fast all the sudden.


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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by Zechk on Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:49 am

    I was going to do a detailed explination, but Blaine beat me to it. It's really all about anticipation and learning to predict where your opponent is going to be. It's also worth pointing out that even with a really decent connection, your opponent is still going to be half a second ahead of where they actually are. That's just the internets.

    A lot of people equate lagstabbing with lag-spikes, where your connection suddenly slows down for a couple of seconds due to internet gremlins I shant bore anyone with, and then boom, you are being backstabbed. This is more what causes things like people teleporting into a backstab animation from 30 feet away or you getting backstabbed by someone standing 20 feet away and performing the animation.

    Lagstabbing is more specifically people using the 'normal' network lag to gain a competative advantage. At least in my mind.


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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:04 am

    IE, people who have a problem with lag, backstabs or both (morally or skill based) cry foul when backstabed under laggy conditions and dub the backstab a lagstab, despite the fact that its almost certainly legitimate on the other players screen.

    A huge chunk of pvp is correctly judging lag, for better or worse.

    Distance is a factor for lag as well.


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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by Tolvo on Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:03 am

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    Re: Can someone explain lag stabbing to me?

    Post by Rifter7 on Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:16 am

    haha thats a pretty magical lagstab.


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