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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:28 pm

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    reim0027 wrote:I fought a BKGA last night. I failed at parrying (still need a lot of practice). I kept at it until I was one hit from losing. Then, I did some well-timed roll R1 and roll BS under his 1H swing. I won. Point is to keep your distance, not get stunlocked, roll through or under their 1H swing and hit them.

    You are kidding me right? You parried me in one try like no one I have ever encountered and that weapon is the one I have parried most by far in pvp, unless it was being double wielded was it?
    I parried you because you did roll R1 too often. happy

    But, for some reason, I have problems parrying a BKGA. Even last night, when I met up with king in btown. We practiced fighting against BKGA (both of us had them).


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by The Once-Ler on Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:44 pm

    Twas fun last night! You seem to have the roll r1 parry down pat cause you got me with it right away. Btw, I forgot to tell you this last night, but the lone forward r2 I hit you with registered over 1k damage:) I would rarely use it in a real fight(too easily punished) but man when it hits it is a crusher!


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:25 pm

    1K? That's messed up. I knew it hit me hard, but dayum!


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by Yesuurd on Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:50 pm

    reim0027 wrote:
    Yesuurd wrote:
    reim0027 wrote:I fought a BKGA last night. I failed at parrying (still need a lot of practice). I kept at it until I was one hit from losing. Then, I did some well-timed roll R1 and roll BS under his 1H swing. I won. Point is to keep your distance, not get stunlocked, roll through or under their 1H swing and hit them.

    You are kidding me right? You parried me in one try like no one I have ever encountered and that weapon is the one I have parried most by far in pvp, unless it was being double wielded was it?
    I parried you because you did roll R1 too often. happy

    But, for some reason, I have problems parrying a BKGA. Even last night, when I met up with king in btown. We practiced fighting against BKGA (both of us had them).

    Ahh good to know, next time we do parry practice bring the bkga then, soooo easy with parry knife....


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:54 pm

    You need to help me with the timing then. Can't get it sorted out.


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by The Once-Ler on Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:21 pm

    Yesuurd wrote:
    reim0027 wrote:
    Yesuurd wrote:
    reim0027 wrote:I fought a BKGA last night. I failed at parrying (still need a lot of practice). I kept at it until I was one hit from losing. Then, I did some well-timed roll R1 and roll BS under his 1H swing. I won. Point is to keep your distance, not get stunlocked, roll through or under their 1H swing and hit them.

    You are kidding me right? You parried me in one try like no one I have ever encountered and that weapon is the one I have parried most by far in pvp, unless it was being double wielded was it?
    I parried you because you did roll R1 too often. happy

    But, for some reason, I have problems parrying a BKGA. Even last night, when I met up with king in btown. We practiced fighting against BKGA (both of us had them).

    Ahh good to know, next time we do parry practice bring the bkga then, soooo easy with parry knife....



    So is there a trick to using the parry dagger? It has such a strange moveset and seems slow for parrying. I pulled it out for a bit the other night but could not hit anything with it. Also, anyone know which is better for a light lh parry item (.5lb) between dark hand vs. small leather shield vs. parry dagger? I have exactly .5 left on my sl120 elemental build and want to plop one in second Lh slot (or lone lh slot depending on my rh choices). Thx.


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by RANT on Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:31 pm

    The Once-Ler wrote:
    Yesuurd wrote:
    reim0027 wrote:
    Yesuurd wrote:
    reim0027 wrote:I fought a BKGA last night. I failed at parrying (still need a lot of practice). I kept at it until I was one hit from losing. Then, I did some well-timed roll R1 and roll BS under his 1H swing. I won. Point is to keep your distance, not get stunlocked, roll through or under their 1H swing and hit them.

    You are kidding me right? You parried me in one try like no one I have ever encountered and that weapon is the one I have parried most by far in pvp, unless it was being double wielded was it?
    I parried you because you did roll R1 too often. happy

    But, for some reason, I have problems parrying a BKGA. Even last night, when I met up with king in btown. We practiced fighting against BKGA (both of us had them).

    Ahh good to know, next time we do parry practice bring the bkga then, soooo easy with parry knife....



    So is there a trick to using the parry dagger? It has such a strange moveset and seems slow for parrying. I pulled it out for a bit the other night but could not hit anything with it. Also, anyone know which is better for a light lh parry item (.5lb) between dark hand vs. small leather shield vs. parry dagger? I have exactly .5 left on my sl120 elemental build and want to plop one in second Lh slot (or lone lh slot depending on my rh choices). Thx.

    i would use the target shield, block the parry, it has almost the same parry window as the dagger. or you could parry the first time they attck you if youre fast enough.


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by Tolvo on Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:42 pm

    If they are a low poise user of the BKGA, Falchion. Two-three hits and they are now stun locked until I'm out of stamina, usually in between swings is enough time to do this given the speed of the Axe.
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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by The Once-Ler on Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:13 pm

    Tolvo wrote:If they are a low poise user of the BKGA, Falchion. Two-three hits and they are now stun locked until I'm out of stamina, usually in between swings is enough time to do this given the speed of the Axe.

    Toggle left or right hand weapon switch (while in stunlock) and you are out of stunlock after 2 hits. It's an old DS trick:D

    Also, would love to use the target shield, but it is too heavy. I only have .5 available so I think my choices are parry dagger, dark hand, or small leather shield:(


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by RANT on Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:43 pm

    The Once-Ler wrote:
    Tolvo wrote:If they are a low poise user of the BKGA, Falchion. Two-three hits and they are now stun locked until I'm out of stamina, usually in between swings is enough time to do this given the speed of the Axe.

    Toggle left or right hand weapon switch (while in stunlock) and you are out of stunlock after 2 hits. It's an old DS trick:D

    Also, would love to use the target shield, but it is too heavy. I only have .5 available so I think my choices are parry dagger, dark hand, or small leather shield:(

    dark hand maybe?, it has the same parry window as heater shield.

    edit; id go with small leather shield.


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by The Once-Ler on Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:05 pm

    RantFromRant wrote:
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    Tolvo wrote:If they are a low poise user of the BKGA, Falchion. Two-three hits and they are now stun locked until I'm out of stamina, usually in between swings is enough time to do this given the speed of the Axe.

    Toggle left or right hand weapon switch (while in stunlock) and you are out of stunlock after 2 hits. It's an old DS trick:D

    Also, would love to use the target shield, but it is too heavy. I only have .5 available so I think my choices are parry dagger, dark hand, or small leather shield:(

    dark hand maybe?, it has the same parry window as heater shield.

    edit; id go with small leather shield.

    That's the way I am leaning atm. Thx.


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by RANT on Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:14 pm

    That's the way I am leaning atm. Thx.[/quote]

    i actually only had 1 to spare and just made a leather shield myself. i was using dark hand which i really like for the cool factor.


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by The Once-Ler on Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:46 pm

    RantFromRant wrote:That's the way I am leaning atm. Thx.

    i actually only had 1 to spare and just made a leather shield myself. i was using dark hand which i really like for the cool factor.[/quote]

    I actually made a new build and adjusted stats so I could use the bucker. The parry motion is much better and I thought it was worth having.


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:59 pm

    Try the Target Shield. Slightly better stats, and has the same parry window (I think).


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by RANT on Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:25 pm

    The Once-Ler wrote:
    RantFromRant wrote:That's the way I am leaning atm. Thx.

    i actually only had 1 to spare and just made a leather shield myself. i was using dark hand which i really like for the cool factor.

    I actually made a new build and adjusted stats so I could use the bucker. The parry motion is much better and I thought it was worth having.[/quote]

    target is deff better, it has that special parrry move and its just as good as the parrrying knife.


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by Chumgeyser on Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:04 pm

    How does the BKGA stack up against the Large Club or the Demon's Great Hammer?

    The Large Club looks especially nice for PvP. It is just as good a Poise breaker as the BKGA, it weighs less, it has a Poison effect, and it has a pure Strength A scaling.

    I don't have a Large Club yet. So I don't know what the move set is like. The Undead Barbarians keep kicking my *** so I've been pulling them with a bow and waiting for them to fall off the platforms lol
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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:08 pm

    The poison effect of the large club isn't very viable for PvP, IMO. I can't recall ever being poisoned by the large club (unless I got BS or parried). The BKGA is fast for it's damage, the swings stunlock, and use little stamina - you can swing several times 1H before you drain it.


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by Chumgeyser on Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:16 pm

    reim0027 wrote:The poison effect of the large club isn't very viable for PvP, IMO. I can't recall ever being poisoned by the large club (unless I got BS or parried). The BKGA is fast for it's damage, the swings stunlock, and use little stamina - you can swing several times 1H before you drain it.

    So the Large Club is slower?
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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:18 pm

    Good question, I don't know for sure. I think so.


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by Chumgeyser on Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:23 pm

    reim0027 wrote:Good question, I don't know for sure. I think so.

    lol I guess I'm going to have to figure out how to start killing the Undead Barbarians.

    So... weapon speed has nothing to do with weight? I thought they were tied together somehow.

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    Post by JoocyJ003 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:58 pm

    Im pretty sure weight does correlate with weapon speed. If u compare a ricards rapier to an estoc, the ricards is noticabely faster and 1lb lighter. Same with the claymore vs the man serp g sword..

    As far as dealing with the BKGA. I agreee with the person who said to use a demon spear at range. It will work really well, u can basically just poke them. If u get too close, roll away. Ive been using a rapier the same way. Its smaller, less cheap, and a little more satisfying to own a greatsword user.
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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by Liff Daddy on Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:13 am

    The large club has pretty similar move-set to the Great club. Slow-swinging.


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by exandroide on Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:28 am

    JoocyJ003 wrote:

    As far as dealing with the BKGA. I agreee with the person who said to use a demon spear at range. It will work really well, u can basically just poke them. If u get too close, roll away. Ive been using a rapier the same way. Its smaller, less cheap, and a little more satisfying to own a greatsword user.

    as an occasional BKGA user i can confirm that this is both an effective and irritating method. it's SOOO unsatisfying to get poked to death by a spear
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:39 am

    oh, oops. winking


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    Re: How do you deal with the bkga

    Post by User on Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:42 am

    Ew, i got a couple of them.

    A few kicks back towards certain areas usually helps. For example, Sen's traps are a good place to kick your enemies towards.

    Smacking them with my sword or hammer, that's fun. I usually sprinkle some sunlight to brighten their day, or burn them with fire to crisp them aside. Or, if I feel like it, put some poison to see if I kill them before I poison them. Usually, I kill them before the poison takes effect.

    A good parry and then a riposte helps a good chunk. If i see them just spamming over and over, I usually just stand back, and either hurl a bolt or swing my hammer down. Usually though, I am not using it as much any more... waiting for the right times now, as my Man-Eater Sword is doing a good amount of work in speed, although the damage is remove from quality with quantity now.

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