1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

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    1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Delta Ghost on Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:51 am

    Hello everybody,

    I've been lurking around this forum for the last couple days. That's also the time I've started PvPing, so I'm pretty inexperienced. After seeing how nice the community is, I had to create an account.

    I was playing around with some different builds until I found one that matches my playstile: http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=4376067293040620

    As you can see I focus on pyromancy. The reason for this is because I barely see anyone else doing it (yeah, I'm a wanna-be-hipster big grin ) and because I'm sick of hiding behind my shield.

    To get to the point: yesterday I received a rage-mail for using pyromancy in PvP and that I should not bow because I'm using it (besides this guy I've only found nice people, so again, great community big grin)
    Usually I ignore messages like this, but since I don't want to be that "spam 9 WotG guy" this one got me thinking.
    Now my question: Is it really cheap to use pyromancy or is it a legitimate build?

    I apologize in advance for any grammatic mistakes.

    Greetings from Germany happy

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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Kirk-Barb on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:00 pm

    Ignore that guy. At level 120, if you haven't figured out how to deal with pyromancy during battle, then you need to practice more. He might have had a beef, say if you were level 12, where pyromancy is devastating.
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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by jon.doe.11 on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:04 pm

    pyromancy is cool..i use it all the time..like the post above said,ignore that guy..
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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Delta Ghost on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:37 pm

    Thanks for the replies. I guess, I'll rock that build a little longer then
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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by cloudyeki on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:41 pm

    Pyromancy is legit, because a skilled player will NEVER get hit by a locked on pyromancy unless it's GC. You've gotta teach yourself to fight locked-off if you wanna rely on it for duels.


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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by DamageCK on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:42 pm

    Pretty much everyone who frequents this forum probably has a build that uses pyro. A lot of us have pyro ONLY builds. Because they're awesome. All the opponent needs is a BK shield and your pyro is shut down, so it's not like they can't do anything about it. Pyro is my jam, and unless I'm going straight melee with a 40/40 build, I always have it.


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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:52 pm

    Unless you're dragon, buff or db glitching, you're fine.


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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:59 pm

    Totally legit.

    Plus, like Damage said, BK Shield=Pyros get neutered

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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by cloudyeki on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:04 pm

    That ain't completely true Pendant. You just need to go bleed/poison crazy on them till they get scared and then catch them as they flee >_>


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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Spurgun on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:10 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:Unless you're dragon, buff or db glitching, you're fine.

    What do you mean?
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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Delta Ghost on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:19 pm

    cloudyeki wrote:You've gotta teach yourself to fight locked-off if you wanna rely on it for duels.

    That's what I currently try to do... without any progress yet.

    DamageCK wrote:A lot of us have pyro ONLY builds

    With this build I basically use only my pyro spells. The Washing Pole is just there to keep my enemies at distance if I need some space.

    Forum Pirate wrote:Unless you're dragon, buff or db glitching, you're fine.

    I have to admit I use the BB glitch, but I'm not that tryhard to use the named glitches for PvP. Besides I don't even know what the db glitch is


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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Gaxe on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:20 pm

    Well since you got 45 DEX I'd reccomend the Balder Side Sword +15 and definetly not a lightning weapon.
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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:22 pm

    No no, the bbs fine. I ment divine blessing. "As long as you don't have infinite divine blessings and use them constantly" was how the last part was supposed to be read.


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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Gaxe on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:26 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:No no, the bbs fine. I ment divine blessing. "As long as you don't have infinite divine blessings and use them constantly" was how the last part was supposed to be read.

    Glitches are overrated lol, I don't use any muahaha although I might use the BB glitch after I finish my 6th pvp char rofl. I alos have a lot of free time on my hands though.
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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Delta Ghost on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:35 pm

    Gaxe wrote:Well since you got 45 DEX I'd reccomend the Balder Side Sword +15 and definetly not a lightning weapon.

    I was thinking about switching weapons because the damage of my Washing Pole is pretty underwhelming. Even though I don't like the moveset of the BSS I might try it since I guess you have your reasons to recommend this exact weapon. Thanks for the advice

    Forum Pirate wrote:No no, the bbs fine. I ment divine blessing. "As long as you don't have infinite divine blessings and use them constantly" was how the last part was supposed to be read.

    Ah, ok. I don't heal during PvP so I should be fine.
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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Gaxe on Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:34 pm

    Delta Ghost wrote:
    Gaxe wrote:Well since you got 45 DEX I'd reccomend the Balder Side Sword +15 and definetly not a lightning weapon.

    I was thinking about switching weapons because the damage of my Washing Pole is pretty underwhelming. Even though I don't like the moveset of the BSS I might try it since I guess you have your reasons to recommend this exact weapon. Thanks for the advice

    Forum Pirate wrote:No no, the bbs fine. I ment divine blessing. "As long as you don't have infinite divine blessings and use them constantly" was how the last part was supposed to be read.

    Ah, ok. I don't heal during PvP so I should be fine.

    Well there is numerous "DEX" weapons you could try. A Uchigatana + 15 , Great Scythe +15 , Ricard's Rapier +15 , Balder Side Sword +15 , ect.
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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by DamageCK on Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:56 pm

    Chaos Blade. LOTS of katana/pyro users out there already, but for good reason.


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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by FruitPunchNinja on Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:15 pm

    Yea im the same as you damage my favorite builds for pvp are dex/pyro and str/dex. I say using only pyro is not cheap at all, you will need to get good at throwing fireballs unlocked to really hit a skilled player. I will say that spamming great combustion is somewhat looked down upon. Like how you mentioned people who just stack wrath of god and spam it, its kinda like that. Just like wrath though it can be countered rather simply, so i don't consider it cheap.

    Your build looks great, str is a little high but having that diversity will be good if your just getting into pvp. It is actually pretty much the exact same stats as one of my builds silly I do think using an elemental katana is a waste though, use that 45 dex to your advantage. I suggest chaos blade,+15 uchi/iaito, or possibly even 2h the murakumo.
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    Post by Gaxe on Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:19 pm

    There is one thing I hope you do not do though. Do NOT backstab someone and use fire tempest while they're getting up it's cheap as hell.
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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Delta Ghost on Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:22 pm

    FruitPunchNinja wrote:Your build looks great, str is a little high but having that diversity will be good if your just getting into pvp. It is actually pretty much the exact same stats as one of my builds silly I do think using an elemental katana is a waste though, use that 45 dex to your advantage. I suggest chaos blade,+15 uchi/iaito, or possibly even 2h the murakumo.

    Ok, now I'm convinced to switch weapons.

    Gaxe wrote:There is one thing I hope you do not do though. Do NOT backstab someone and use fire tempest while they're getting up it's cheap as hell.

    I actually don't use tempest at all since I never hit anything >_>
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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Gaxe on Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:23 pm

    Delta Ghost wrote:
    FruitPunchNinja wrote:Your build looks great, str is a little high but having that diversity will be good if your just getting into pvp. It is actually pretty much the exact same stats as one of my builds silly I do think using an elemental katana is a waste though, use that 45 dex to your advantage. I suggest chaos blade,+15 uchi/iaito, or possibly even 2h the murakumo.

    Ok, now I'm convinced to switch weapons.

    Gaxe wrote:There is one thing I hope you do not do though. Do NOT backstab someone and use fire tempest while they're getting up it's cheap as hell.

    I actually don't use tempest at all since I never hit anything >_>

    But I love tempest so much. I bait people into a small room and then use it and burn them to hell rofl.
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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by cloudyeki on Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:25 pm

    A tip for the firestorm series of spells. You have to be closer than you think for it to land. Learn the BS-buffer zone and you'll be landing most of your casts without serious harm.


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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by Delta Ghost on Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:29 pm

    Gaxe wrote:
    But I love tempest so much. I bait people into a small room and then use it and burn them to hell rofl.

    Maybe I should get more creative with it. It deals tons of damage, that's true. I'll give it another chance.

    cloudyeki wrote:A tip for the firestorm series of spells. You have to be closer than you think for it to land. Learn the BS-buffer zone and you'll be landing most of your casts without serious harm.

    What do you mean by "BS-buffer zone"? The area where my enemy won't get a BS?
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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by cloudyeki on Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:33 pm

    It's the zone where the target has a split-second to decide whether to go for the bs or to run away. If they go for the bs 90% they'll get burnt to a crisp, and if they delay a second or 2 and they might take a glancing hit.


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    Re: 1st Post: Pyromancy in PvP - legit or not?

    Post by nsane32 on Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:42 pm

    for you high dex a non fire ling.ectra works great and you can buff it and pyromancy is great for pvp also if you are on XBL I can help train you


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